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Drotte-Roche mixup

David Stockhoff · 17 Apr 2011, 21:14 · from 2011-April.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:14:39 -0400
Subject: (urth) Drotte-Roche mixup
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Wolfe as a writer has been working against the kind of analysis that 
allows for authorial error in the case of obvious discrepancies that 
have no possible meaning consistent with the rest of the work? That, 
i.e., authors are infallible?

Or was Drotte momentarily Roche, or Roche Drotte?

Is Severian to be seen, on the basis of one passage, as a clumsy 
bumbling oaf who can't remember anything? Does it mean that he really 
doesn't have a good memory at all but that he pretends and makes things 
up and isn't even very good at it, except that 100% of the rest of the 
time he's extremely good at it? Hey, maybe he made up the whole 
acid-trip to Yesod.

It's not OUR theory that would make analysis of BOTNS impossible---it's 
yours. It's certainly possible that we could discover "errors" that are 
explained by Thecla's or some other's presence in his brain, but this is 
not one of them. YOU are going to have to convince US, Antonio.

Or maybe we could agree that GW the translator screwed up, but Wolfe can 
commit no error.

On 4/17/2011 4:58 PM, entonio at gmail.com wrote:
> No dia 2011/04/17, ?s 21:28, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> 
> escreveu:
>
>> And Tony is right that Drotte and Roche mean nothing to the reader at 
>> this point, perhaps especially because the chapter might have been 
>> insufficiently rewritten to make it serve as chapter 1.
>
> I vehemently disagree. I think this kind of analysis is just what 
> Wolfe as a writer has been working against since 
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