Drotte-Roche mixup

David Stockhoff · 19 Apr 2011, 11:56 · from 2011-April.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:56:49 -0400
Subject: (urth) Drotte-Roche mixup
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I'd like to see James' evidence too. But Rose is a bio---that's certain. 
My assumption was the same as yours, that her hands were (cyborg) flesh. 
But Marble's easy use of them is a bit hard to understand. How is it 
kept alive when it is not attached to Rose's circulatory system?

Bios need new limbs for 2 reasons: (1) loss of the original, often due 
to accident (Jonas) or combat; (2) loss of use of the original. It is 
far more likely that an ancient sibyl would lose the use of her hands 
than that she would get them blown off. Of course I'm just realizing 
this now.

It's a variation on the same theme.

On 4/19/2011 4:01 AM, soloviev at irit.fr wrote:
> Dear James and David,
>
> I am not so sure that this explanation is right. Please, remind, James,
> where it is said that Rose's prosthetic hands are not flesh?
> In the "Book of the New Sun" Severian has a friend Jonas, who
> is a chem (at Urth at this time they are not called so), but
> Jonas has one hand and some other parths taken from a bio -
> he explains it himself to Severian. So the combination is
> possible.
>
> I don't remember where it was said, maybe it is your own
> deduction that they (Rose's hands) are not flesh, only
> "realistically veined", because they could be "grafted"
> to Marble?
>
> Best regards
>
> Sergei Soloviev
>
>> Ahhh ... that makes sense. I did not know Rose was actually in Marble's
>> hands, or that her hands were not flesh. That explains my confusion.
>>
>> Wolfe has a thing for that, doesn't he---Sidero, for example?
>>
>> On 4/18/2011 6:55 PM, James Wynn wrote:
>>> Correction:
>>> Marble is a chem. Although she used to have facades that looked
>>> generally realistic or possibly very realistic, they have long-ago
>>> worn away.
>>>
>>> Rose is an old bio with many prostheses. In addition she has
>>> prosthetic hands that have been made to look realistically old and
>>> veiny.
>>>
>>> When Rose dies, the hands fit just fine on Marble's arms. Rose's
>>> memories and identity have been downloaded effortlessly into the
>>> hands. I think all of that is significant, but there are detractors.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 4/18/2011 5:49 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
>>>> I think I remember that---thanks.
>>>>
>>>> I always had trouble with them anyway. If I recall, Mint is a bio,
>>>> Marble is a chem with fleshy prostheses, and Rose was an old bio with
>>>> metal prostheses.
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