"Realistic fiction leaves out too much." - Gene Wolfe
Jerry Friedman · 01 May 2011, 14:53
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From: jerry_friedman at yahoo.com (Jerry Friedman) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 07:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (urth) "Realistic fiction leaves out too much." - Gene Wolfe In-Reply-To: <EC349B0AFE9B4DBB9F03C781C6261AE4@jill> References: <4DBB1060.1020105 at gmail.com> <794632.94323.qm at web161803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <BANLkTinVfFohh9fu7VwbgjSKKOfv2Bg-0Q at mail.gmail.com> <4DBB3F16.4000500 at gmail.com> <BANLkTikERbP9OsLJArNvPEp1PScccdP1SA at mail.gmail.com> <4DBC3F51.6070703 at io.com> <BANLkTik4f3+Pam8qjUpd0iViPKQqyJq4-Q at mail.gmail.com> <4DBC7A40.4090306 at io.com><BANLkTinrXbXqxp9uQzr+Q8J_qustH5tUNw at mail.gmail.com> <4DBCCACC.6050401 at io.com> <EC349B0AFE9B4DBB9F03C781C6261AE4@jill> Message-ID: <572192.86044.qm at web114712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: Gerry Quinn <gerryq at indigo.ie> > From: "Jeff Wilson" <jwilson at io.com> > > On 4/30/2011 9:29 PM, Matthew Knapton wrote: > >> Well, it's a comment that even when the 'gain' is as huge as it is in > >> Omelas, there's something wrong about the purposeful mistreatment and > >> deprivation of an innocent. Whether you like the story or not, that's > >> undeniably a moral statement, yes. > > > > But is "there's something wrong about the purposeful mistreatment and > > deprivation of an innocent" a useful or meaningful moral statement? Is the >wrongness greater or lesser if > > the mistreatment is without purpose, or if >the purpose is unknown? Compare Jackson's "The Lottery," and > > the news items >about the third-world villages poisoned by 1st world computer waste. > > I think the story vividly and memorably points up a rather difficult ethical >issue, which most makers and/or > purveyors of moral/ethical systems would like to be able to ignore, given that >to some extent it is probably > insoluble in a practical sense. And an emotional issue, an issue about our moral feelings. The James quotation is "Or if the hypothesis were offered us of a world in which Messrs. Fourier's and Bellamy's and Morris's utopias should all be outdone, and millions kept permanently happy on the one simple condition that a certain lost soul on the far-off edge of things should lead a life of lonely torture, what except a specifical and independent sort of emotion can it be which would make us immediately feel, even though an impulse arose within us to clutch at the happiness so offered, how hideous a thing would be its enjoyment when deliberately accepted as the fruit of such a bargain?" http://books.google.com/books?id=iSikDHxjIyEC&pg=PA68 In /The Wind's Twelve Quarters/, Le Guin points out James's "naively gentlemanly" assumption that all his readers are "as decent as himself". > So for me that makes it a story worth writing/reading, even if the author >herself cops out at the end (they > seem to know where they are going, those who walk away from Omelas, but the >reader is left pretty much > in the dark). Well, the narrative voice clearly admits that she too is in the dark. But /The Dispossessed/, /The Eye of the Heron/, and /Always Coming Home/ certainly look like attempts to show how societies could exploit nobody, how reduction of the number of deliberately tortured lost souls could be reduced to zero. I don't know what Le Guin would say about what she really believes. I haven't read /The Devil in a Forest/, but those who have might enjoy comparing it and contrasting it to "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas". Jerry Friedman
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