Seventeen

David Stockhoff · 23 May 2011, 12:09 · from 2011-May.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 08:09:23 -0400
Subject: (urth) Seventeen
In-Reply-To: <4DDA3B81.3000308 at gmail.com>
References: <110412.27544.qm at web32104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <4DDA4E73.5000404 at verizon.net>

Nice. Thanks Nicholas!

On 5/23/2011 6:48 AM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:
> Nicholas Gevers wrote (23-05-2011 10:43):
>> A possible reference by Wolfe is to the Dutch East India Company of 
>> the 17th and
>> 18th centuries, which was governed by a board of managers or factors 
>> called the
>> "Heere Seventien" or Group of Seventeen. Given the Company's 
>> association with
>> the sea, and origin in a country partly reclaimed from the sea, Wolfe 
>> might have
>> intended a coded pelagic reference, thus to Abaia, Scylla, and the 
>> rest. The
>> DEIC didn't have a very savoury reputation. Of course, the only overt 
>> reference
>> to the Dutch in the entire Briah Cycle is in *On Blue's Waters* and 
>> *Return to
>> the Whorl*, with Dorp and its doughty sailors...
>
> Yet one in which he explicitly decries the outcome of a society giving 
> absolute power to inflexible Law and its enforcers...
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