do the Hierogrammates care about the megatherians?

James Wynn · 26 May 2011, 06:36 · from 2011-May.txt.gz

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From: crushtv at gmail.com (James Wynn)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 01:36:39 -0500
Subject: (urth) do the Hierogrammates *care* about the megatherians?
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Boy, Nick, did you ever come to the right counter.

Phanes is not a bad key. What is your source on him? Because the only 
picture I've found of him is slightly reminiscent of the Zervan (which I 
have argued is invoked in the character Silk). Only one head, though. 
Nor can I find where Ericapaeus could be translated Spring Wind. Nor 
where he is associated with Thetis (and this would not be surprising in 
a wide variety of monomyth models).
How do you mean that Pas can be *derived* from both Erikapaios and Phanes?

I am also curious where you detected Dionysus in 'Peace'. Do you say 
Phanes is present in 'Peace' and 'Pandora' only through Dionysus? Or 
more directly?

J.

On 5/26/2011 12:26 AM, Nick Lee wrote:
> He has three. This fits nicely between Quadrifrons' four and
> Typhon/Pas's two. To clarify, I meant Return to the Whorl, not UotNS
> -- a bit of aphasia on my part. The discussion Patera Horn has
> concerning the identity of the Outsider is quite illuminating. As an
> aside, did anyone else notice that Horn mentions a Patera Ray? Ray and
> Horn can be translated from the same Hebrew word, ??? (qeren). I think
> this is another linguistic joke/clue Wolfe is giving regarding the
> divinities he's referring to.
>
> "Spring Wind" is one translation for Erikapaios (or Ericapaeus), also
> known as Phanes. Interestingly, "Pas" can be derived from both
> Erikapaios and Phanes. Phanes is the main god of the Orphic mysteries.
> Yes, that means he is Dionysus -- and Eros as well; he gets around. I
> don't think I need to remind anyone that Wolfe brings up Dionysus a
> lot: Peace, Sorcerer's House, RttW, etc. Borski thinks he's the Devil,
> but he also represents the opposite.
>
> Phanes also manifests as the goddess Thetis (or Thesis). I think
> "Spring Wind," Phanes, is the Outsider. What this has to do with
> Wolfe's cosmology (fictional or otherwise) has already been speculated
> upon, in a tangential way, by others -- on this very mailing list, for
> example. If you like, Phanes can be another piece of the puzzle. I
> think he's much more. He's in both Peace and Pandora as well. That
> strikes me as significant.
>
> I suppose it could all be a coincidence. We gravitate toward the
> interpretations that speak to us most strongly, after all. And yet if
> you look into the Phanic myths as I did, I think you'll find them
> illuminating.
>
> --Nick
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