not quite Father Inire's mirrors . . .
DAVID STOCKHOFF · 08 Jun 2011, 17:39
· from 2011-June.txt.gz
This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything
here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer
encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the
archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those
repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is
for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site,
so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.
From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (DAVID STOCKHOFF) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 10:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (urth) not quite Father Inire's mirrors . . . In-Reply-To: <ED24FF6F77DF4AB9B6C35A54F58E23A7@jill> Message-ID: <84247.57330.qm at web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 6/8/11, Gerry Quinn <gerryq at indigo.ie> wrote: > From: Gerry Quinn <gerryq at indigo.ie> > Subject: Re: (urth) not quite Father Inire's mirrors . . . > To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> > Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 11:32 AM > > From: "David Stockhoff" <dstockhoff at verizon.net> > > > Nicely put: > > > > "Quantum theory predicts that a vacuum is actually a > writhing foam of particles flitting in and out of > existence." > > > > The most apparent limitation of the sails of the Ship > is that (you would think) they shouldn't generate as much > "lift" away from a star, when they would want to go very > fast, as they do very near one, when they would want to go > very slow. > > > > If they can actually generate a little more pressure > from space itself, that's less of a problem. > > The mirror experiment described won't help in propulsion > (it causes accelerated mirrors to emit radiation, which > would slow them down).? In any case the emissions were > a function of acceleration rather than velocity. > > Howeer, Severian writes in _Claw_: > > "How foolish to call them mirrors. They are to mirrors as > the enveloping firmament is to a child's balloon. They > reflect light indeed; but that, I think, is no part of their > true function. They reflect reality, the metaphysical > substance that underlies the material world." > > Perhaps reflected reality generates more pressure than > reflected light!? (Of course, Inire's mirrors may not > be identical to Tzadkiel's sails, even if they share some > properties.) > > - Gerry Quinn True, the experiment doesn't give much cover for Tzadkiel's sails as quantum propulsion systems. Especially since the effect isn't supposed to show up until the mirror is moving almost at c anyway. But what is a sail on a ship if not a propulsion system? What good is a mirror that reflects reality without obeying quantum mechanics? Since starsails have been part of SF for decades, it follows that Izadkiel's sails would or could work that way, but with a twist. Perhaps the twist is simply that with 100% reflectivity---or, if you will, >100% reflectivity, along the lines of "darker than black" and "whiter than white"---you somehow get more reflected out than you thought you were putting in, thus also allowing an amplifying effect between 2 such mirrors. "Virtual particles" seem to provide a plausible explanation even if they postdate the books: a perfect mirror would "see" the foam that makes up space as well as everything occupying or passing through that space.
An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net