Faterh Inire

larry miller · 13 Oct 2011, 19:34 · from 2011-October.txt.gz

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From: biglar1984 at gmail.com (larry miller)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:34:49 -0400
Subject: (urth) Faterh Inire
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The jungle guide is definetly Inire.  Dorcas husband and Isangoma on
the other hand Id have to disagree with you.  Isangoma along with
Robert and Marie are just people from our time being observed by
Severian and Agia.  Inire being Dorcas husband makes no sense to me
but Id love to hear any thoughts you have on why you think so.

On 10/13/11, Andrew Mason <andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Larry Miller wrote:
>
>>
>> What jungle guide and old boatman are you referring too? ?I an think
>> of a few examples of both.
>
> ?The jungle guide is the masked figure who leads Vodalus and party
> through the jungle in COTA, and occasionally disappears into the
> Autarch's litter to talk to him. The old boatman is Dorcas's husband.
>
> I agree that the jungle guide is probably Inire. I don't accept most
> of the other identifications, because I don't think Inire is a
> shape-shifter (except, possibly, that he can turn himself into a
> tiger), so anyone Severian sees full-face can't be him (or, strictly,
> more than one person can't, see below). On his two most certain
> appearances he is either hooded or masked. He seems to belong to the
> same species as Barbatus and Famulimus, who are also masked.
>
>  Isangoma, as well as the others in the
>> jungle hut are from our time period.  Robert and Marie are
>> missionaries in South America and they are teaching Isangoma the
>> bible.
>
> I do think Isangoma might be Inire. The jungle hut scene is later
> compared to the Apu-Punchau scene. That suggests that what is
> happening is the recalling of a spirit from the past. We can read it
> like this:
> Robert = Apu-Punchau, the recalled spirit.
> Marie = the inhabitants of the stone town, part of the scene, existing
> in the spirit's mind.
> Isangoma = the Cumaean, the magician who is recalling him.
>
> This explains why Robert and Isangoma can see Severian and Agia, but
> Marie cannot.
>
> 'Isangoma' is an African name, yet he does not look African, but South
> American. This suggests he is not a real part of Robert's life, but is
> playing a part.
>
> As to the identity with Inire, there are two clues - that the jungle
> guide, as Lee says, looks like Isangoma, and that Isangoma is talking
> about fish just after Severian has told a story about Inire and fish.
>
> Severian is not yet Thecla at this point, so would not recognise
> Inire, as he would have done if he had met him later.
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