Typhon's nature
David Stockhoff · 14 Oct 2011, 14:14
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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:14:29 -0400 Subject: (urth) Typhon's nature In-Reply-To: <1318569770.67576.YahooMailNeo at web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <CAM3O41JN3D5Fv4JaHHq1Ewg6VvHYY8NzVBF2VqL9OCHhBzU=eQ at mail.gmail.com> <CAMBsQ=J+K_YSPe0hPne5-VZoUeYOZbTS9xhVFh8BS3WDgK1C3Q at mail.gmail.com> <4E923EA3.1080003 at verizon.net> <CAFjGSadywASrXg3zGQKQBZYKFjUQVg6vy92vPLpjm5VQrF--Kw at mail.gmail.com> <4E92407C.1070308 at verizon.net> <CAMBsQ=JEkBUmhgeW=Lidx+uV00=+EQNFW+Ms4zw5pDGvRme=sA at mail.gmail.com> <4E929F13.8060704 at clueland.com> <4E92E879.1040103 at verizon.net> <4E932B84.8000201 at clueland.com> <4E933279.4000305 at verizon.net> <1318310722.89842.YahooMailNeo at web114709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E944D2D.6040807 at verizon.net> <1318478266.17919.YahooMailNeo at web114715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E96F51D.1030301 at verizon.net> <1318569770.67576.YahooMailNeo at web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E9843C5.2060208 at verizon.net> On 10/14/2011 1:22 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote: Okay, I've got some time. In the real world, I'd say a surgical implant was the obvious possibility. How can producing different proteins make a brain capable of taking over other brains? In sf, that doesn't apply. In Chapter 6 of RttW, Silkhorn tells Hound the embryos were "the products of carefully controlled matings in his workshops". I suppose there could have been no more intervention than that. On the other hand, Crane tells Silk that Mucor's brain was not recognizably human (LotLS, Chapter 11). That sounds like a lot to get out of selective breeding, and makes me suspect that Typhon's scientists did something more in the labs. Genetic engineering, implants, surgery, and changing the environment in the uterine replicators (as we call them here in the wormhole nexus) all seem like possibilities and are compatible with each other. One speculation: There's an sf cliche that we'd all have superpowers, but we inhibit them. (The mandragora tells Severian that Sev's continued psychic shrieking from being abandoned as an infant inhibits his telepathy, which is along the same lines but not the same.) Maybe someone did a little surgery on Mucor's embryo to disable the part of the brain that would have inhibited her powers. Anyway, I don't see that it matters to the story. I think it matters in terms of figuring out what's possible in the rest of the story. Positing that Typhon's labs could insert nanorobots into embryos doesn't tell us what to do with the "carefully controlled matings" remark. Positing microsurgical techniques fails to explain why we don't see more evidence of microsurgery. Positing that Mucor is radio-controlled through her fillings only pushes the explanation farther away. There is also the fundamental technical problem that embryos don't have brains. You can't operate on a brain that has not yet come into being, nor will an implant do anything for quite some time. In fact, if the brain does not develop as desired, the implant will prove to be a huge waste. Implants fail, surgeries fail. Since we are dealing with embryos on the Long Sun side (and large numbers of them), that pretty much settles it. But genetic manipulation is supported, does not need teams of scientists performing thousands of surgeries (since the damn things grow by themselves once you start them off---they don't need revisions or follow-up visits), and directly connects to ever-present concerns about paternity, heredity, and identity. I'd go so far as to assume that all technology in Briah is genetic, or at least somatic (who knows about astral travel, but we know there is no "astral travel suit"), unless demonstrably otherwise. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 111014-0, 10/14/2011 Tested on: 10/14/2011 10:14:30 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2011 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
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