Typhon's nature

David Stockhoff · 14 Oct 2011, 18:41 · from 2011-October.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:41:30 -0400
Subject: (urth) Typhon's nature
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On 10/14/2011 2:25 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
> *From:* Lee Berman <mailto:severiansola at hotmail.com>
>
> > >Gerry Quinn: Echidna is (presumably) no blood relation of Typhon, 
> yet her
> > >digitised personality has similar powers.
>
> > Mythological Echidna was Typhon's sister as well as his mate.
>
> That depends on which of a dozen origin stories you select. Besides, 
> they were monsters, not people.
> > I think there
> > was a purpose in naming her this way. Part of it was surely that 
> Typhon and
> > Echidna are known as the "mother and father of all monsters". But 
> wny not
> > make their sibling relationship part of it also. Pagan ruling houses 
> were well
> > known to use sibling matings to solidify dynasties.
> One might note in this regard that Typhon?s offspring were all in some 
> way defective.
Great point.
> On the other hand, Typhon would have known of the dangers of 
> inbreeding, and it also seems that he didn?t much like the idea of 
> genetically engineering his offspring.
Why do you think this?
> So it would be remarkable if he married his sister. Duke Rigoglio 
> doesn?t mention anything unusual about his marriage ? you?d think such 
> a thing would be remarked upon.
WE would. Would anyone on Urth? Anyway, perhaps there was some reason 
why Typhon might want to narrow the gene pool---I mean, marry his 
sister---even despite the (actually very small) risks ... racking my 
brain ... can't think of any ....
>
>
> > Even if there were no evidence of genetically similar powers, I 
> would think
> > it more likely that Echidna was Typhon's sister than that she wasn't.
> There is no evidence whatsoever of genetically similar powers. We are 
> told nothing about any genetically endowed powers Echidna (or whatever 
> her real name was) may have had. We know her digitised personality can 
> invoke the personality transfer mechanisms installed in the Sacred 
> Windows, but so can all the others except maybe Tartarus.
Correct.
> > The assumption of outbreeding and marriage based on love is a modern 
> prejudice.
> Outbreeding has notable advantages that societies ignore at their 
> peril. As for love, it?s not unlikely that Typhon married into some 
> powerful family rather than for love; he had concubines as well, after 
> all. Or perhaps Echidna was necessary to him in some other way. But 
> there?s no particular evidence of incest that I can see.
You're right---Typhon was not wearing his INCEST IS BEST T-shirt when he 
met Severian.


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