Typhon's nature

David Stockhoff · 15 Oct 2011, 11:28 · from 2011-October.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:28:51 -0400
Subject: (urth) Typhon's nature
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On 10/15/2011 6:08 AM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
> *From:* David Stockhoff <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net>
> >
> On 10/14/2011 6:11 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
> >
> > *From:* David Stockhoff <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net>
> >
> > > On 10/14/2011 12:49 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > > If I ruled worlds with all those tools you list, and then you
> >
> > found out
> >
> > > > > I was psionic (without using a psionic helmet), would that not
> >
> > strike
> >
> > > > > you as significant?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Not really, if psychic powers are reasonably common.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > So, emphatically yes (because they are not).
> > >
> >
> > Aren?t they? Decuman seems to have them. So does Mucor. The Cumaean
> >
> > has. In Typhon?s time, there was a telepathic internet.
>
> >
> In my example, I am not a character living in Briah.
> Then I don?t understand the point of it.
Right.
> >
> > > > He does have strong arms and hands, strong enough to dangle Severian
> > > > over a cliff. But then again, he took those from Piaton.
> >
> > > Which means he does not have them at all.
> >
> > Sure he has them!
> >
> No, he does not. Rather, he has Piaton.
> Which includes Piaton?s hands. If all had gone well, Piaton?s head 
> would soon have been dispensed with, and the distinction becomes even 
> less meaningful.
It's as though the discussion about genetic inheritance never happened!
> >
> > > I thought you said there was no difference! But again: "I sent my
> >
> > > thought to far places." Why, do you think, he said that? Why did Wolfe
> >
> > > have him say that?
> > He?s talking about telepresence, virtualities? Or maybe just alluding
> >
> > to looking at satellite images etc.
> >
> But why did he say it LIKE THAT?
> What?s wrong with the way he said it? He thinks he?s talking to an oik 
> who has never seen a TV.
Who said there was anything wrong? Are we not discussing theories to fit 
them to facts? But thank you for your long-awaited answer---it is much 
the same as my own.
>
> > > It adds colour to our understanding of life in Typhon?s empire, just
> > > as elsewhere we learn a little about life in Ascia.
> > I am sure that is why Wolfe wrote the series: to provide color and
> > information, like a white writer in the South after the Civil War.
> You don?t think that fleshing out such imaginary societies is part of 
> the writer?s job?
It's certainly not your job to put words in my mouth.
>
> > > > I propose that the food Typhon feeds Severian is a ham sandwich. 
> Do you
> > > > concur?
> > > A kolpochoerus sandwich is another example of something that is
> > > perfectly plausible,,. but for wich we have no evidence one way or 
> the
> > > other. All we know is he gave Severian food of some sort. (If I 
> had to
> > > guess, I?d say something like the ready meals eaten by Silk and
> > > Mamelta on the lander.)
> > Are you a machine?
> I?m finding your responses increasingly hard to compute, that?s for sure.
>
I can tell, Gerry!


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