Urth-Earth links

David Stockhoff · 19 Oct 2011, 11:39 · from 2011-October.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:39:32 -0400
Subject: (urth) Urth-Earth links
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On 10/19/2011 12:47 AM, Lee Berman wrote:
>> David Stockhoff: I'm not sure why Death + Sin = monsters, beyond that the whole
>> reason Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden is that they sinned and thus
>> found mortality. Cue Pandora and her box.
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> Perhaps the monsters figure in if we add Adam's first mate Lilith (Jahi) to the mix.
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> After the failed relationship, she mated with a fallen angel and produced many of
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> earth's mythic monsters. (also, child-stealing was her special province, a tradition
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> which extended to faerie folk and kelpies and such creatures who seem to lurk in the
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> shadows of Wolfe's stories)

I did not know that!

>> Jeff Wilson: How do we know they (the large pale pandours on the ship) are Erebus'?
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> Well, I don't suppose we can know but I find it to be a reasonable conclusion.
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> Erebus is said to command cold, pale warriors. The ship and the undines and the
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> voices seem to clearly invoke Abaia. I take this scene as symbolic of the alliance
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> between these two powers (or perhaps an even closer connection).
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>> I don't see that skin color supports their Ereban origin. Fuegians would
>> have to sit at the back of an Alabaman bus, there's no Antarctic natives
>> to judge by, and arctic indigines like Sammi and Inuits are also darker
>> than the average caucasian.
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>
> That's good anthropology.  But I interpret this idea in more literary terms.
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> The text does say Erebus resides in the Antarctic, like his volcanic namesake,
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> and that he commands pale warriors. Moreover, the most southern-residing character
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> we meet is Hallvard, who is light in coloration. IIRC, Ascians are pale also, so I
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> have tended to think that pale color= colder home environment is a connection Wolfe
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> uses in this story. 	

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You're ahead of me.

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