Zoroastrianism? Buddhism?
Alex David Groce · 05 Sep 1999, 14:19
· from urth-v0028.mbox · original
This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything
here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer
encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the
archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those
repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is
for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site,
so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.
From: Alex David Groce <Alex_Groce at gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: (urth) Zoroastrianism? Buddhism? Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:19:44 Message-ID: <urth-v0028-0095 at digest.urth.net> X-Urthmirror-Source: http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0028/0095.shtml MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Of course, as you point out reality can always break through cliche. That'= s=20 >true, but difficult. Doesn't Shadow somewhere near the beginning have a=20 >remark to the effect that concepts are much weaker than the words we use t= o=20 >bind them? (Sorry for not looking it up. My copy has unaccountably vanishe= d). >The theme of innovation and experience versus tradition and ritual runs=20 >through all five Urth books. I'm not sure what the reference is to--Severian's statement about symbols (the "We believe we create symbols..."), perhaps? At any rate, as usual Wolfe is not presenting a simple black/white dichotomy between innovation and experience and "cliches". Vodalus is, in a real sense, the "innovator" as opposed to the Autarch. But Vodalus' "reach for the stars, reclaim the future" turns out to be a false coin, at best a weak parody of Typhon's malignant grandness, used as a tool both by the Autarch and by Erebus and Abaia. The torturer's guild is another prime example--the best of it is what remains of ancient traditions--the feast of St. Catherine, etc. On the other hand, Severian's purpose in many ways seems to be to discover the points where the Increate's Reality shines through the fabric of life on Urth, and the good traditions arise from these direct experiences of a higher order. The textual similarity to the Buddhist texts is striking. I'm just wondering what Wolfe's aims were--maybe nothing more complicated than suggesting that just as Communism can be seen as a secular parody of Christianity, it can be seen as a secular parody of elements of Buddhism as well. "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." John 8:32 -- Alex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu) Ph.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department 8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/
An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net