Father Inire as Dionysus

Sergei SOLOVIEV · 24 Oct 2011, 18:03 · from 2011-October.txt.gz

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From: soloviev at irit.fr (Sergei SOLOVIEV)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:03:51 +0200
Subject: (urth) Father Inire as Dionysus
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I like more this view - it makes sense if you remember how often
Hethor is referred to as an "old sailor", how he is afraid to be recognized
by Jonas. There are small details that speak a lot about his past
on the spaceships (his "khaibit" or whatever that was killed
by other crew). He has an access to high technology (his "mirrors")
but on lesser level than Inire.

It makes no sense to build his human biography by such bits and scrapes
if in fact he would be Inire.

I think that Wolfe likes a lot to make the different personages to 
mirror each
other in some imperfect way. There is a sort of hierarchy (more imperfect -
less imperfect). It fits very well the (Christian) concept that  Evil is 
a distorted Good.
For example, the boatman loves dead Dorcas. Hethor has no love,
and is more deeply mired in evil. Still, he is strongly attracted by Agia,
and maybe not completely lost. Anyway, much worse cases are possible.

Thea and Thecla are similar in some respects and different in others.

Could not be the "way of air" just using flyers?

Sergei

David Stockhoff wrote:
> On 10/24/2011 1:16 PM, Lee Berman wrote:
>> I believe it is the Old Autarch who tells Severian that Thecla was 
>> chosen
>> for her loyalty to Vodalus as a means to bind his followers more tightly
>> to him. I tend to think Vodalus as an expendable pawn of higher powers
>> (easily replaced by Agia with the help of...Hethor) who doesn't 
>> really know
>> that the true importance of his dinner choices (and all else that he 
>> does)
>> relates to Severian as a nascent New Sun
>
> Here's a thought.
>
> Old Autarch + Inire vs Vodalus + Inire
>
> New Autarch + Inire vs Agia and Hethor
>
> (1) The Vodalarii no longer need Inire's personal attention now that 
> Sev is here
>
> (2) Hethor is a lesser Inire, as Agia is a lesser Vodalus.
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