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Father Inire as Dionysus

David Stockhoff · 26 Oct 2011, 14:08 · from 2011-October.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:08:11 -0400
Subject: (urth) Father Inire as Dionysus
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On 10/26/2011 10:00 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:
> On 10/26/2011 8:53 AM, David Stockhoff wrote:
>> On 10/26/2011 9:48 AM, James Wynn wrote:
>>> On 10/25/2011 9:01 AM, Lee Berman wrote:
>>>> I don't get this. What resemblance does Hethor have to the Trojan
>>>> Hector who
>>>> was a brave and noble prince and warror?
>>>> I don't think WOlfe would pick this name just for the heck of it.
>>>
>>> I'm not prepared to show that Wolfe has woven elements of the Illiad
>>> into the life of Severian, but it would be very much like Wolfe to do
>>> that. And Hector, and as the nemesis of the sword wielding Achilles
>>> and slayer of his alter-ego, would be a fine reference to Severian's
>>> Hethor.
>>
>> How does he slay Sev's alter ego? I don't recall Hether successfully
>> killing anyone.
>
> His slug does in several of the sorcerors at least. Which would be 
> somewhat apt, since Hector thinks he is killing Achilles but does in 
> Patroclus instead.
>

Somewhat. But Sev does not seek vengeance on Hethor for killing his 
lover/friend. You'd think that would be the main reference point.

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