Father Inire as Dionysus

Sergei SOLOVIEV · 26 Oct 2011, 14:47 · from 2011-October.txt.gz

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From: soloviev at irit.fr (Sergei SOLOVIEV)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:47:11 +0200
Subject: (urth) Father Inire as Dionysus
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I would like to repeat that my approach to interpretation is different,
I believe there is a network of analogies, of cross references in the 
text, rather
than strong causal connection. The name may be Hector, but I do
not say that it implies that all the other elements of Iliad must have
parallels in BoTNS.

We already discussed that the name Dorcas corresponds to the name
of the girl resurrected in the Bible. But it doesn't imply that all
the other episodes of the Bible have their counterpart in BoTNS!
There is too much references to different sources, they
cannot be all reflected to the same extent (hidden or not)
in BoTNS. (Cf. my post about Abraxas.)

I suggested that Hector may be just one more reference to our time.

The name Hector may be rare in the USA, but Urth is not USA!
By the way, other personage named Hector was captain Hector
Servadac in a novel by Jules Verne:
 >On the coast of Algiers, French Captain Hector Servadac, his orderly 
Ben Zoof and the ground >below their feet are ripped from the Earth by a 
passing comet. (Amazon)

Whet the name Kim Lee Soong is mentioned, it is told also that
the lands where this people lived are now under the sea. I.e., to give us
some information about the changing "face of Urth".

Sergei Soloviev

Jeff Wilson wrote:
> On 10/26/2011 8:53 AM, David Stockhoff wrote:
>> On 10/26/2011 9:48 AM, James Wynn wrote:
>>> On 10/25/2011 9:01 AM, Lee Berman wrote:
>>>> I don't get this. What resemblance does Hethor have to the Trojan
>>>> Hector who
>>>> was a brave and noble prince and warror?
>>>> I don't think WOlfe would pick this name just for the heck of it.
>>>
>>> I'm not prepared to show that Wolfe has woven elements of the Illiad
>>> into the life of Severian, but it would be very much like Wolfe to do
>>> that. And Hector, and as the nemesis of the sword wielding Achilles
>>> and slayer of his alter-ego, would be a fine reference to Severian's
>>> Hethor.
>>
>> How does he slay Sev's alter ego? I don't recall Hether successfully
>> killing anyone.
>
> His slug does in several of the sorcerors at least. Which would be 
> somewhat apt, since Hector thinks he is killing Achilles but does in 
> Patroclus instead.
>

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