This week in Google Alerts

Adam Thornton · 02 Nov 2011, 16:51 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: athornton at gmail.com (Adam Thornton)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:51:38 -0500
Subject: (urth) This week in Google Alerts
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Not putting too much stock in this but the map of Oz is famous for its
east/west reversal.
On Nov 2, 2011 8:38 AM, "Lee Berman" <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> >David Stockhoff: It would be clever of Wolfe to have invented a world
> that is totally
> >free of Orientalism.
>
> Well, the Xanthic lands are mentioned. But I don't think we know where
> they are.
>
> >David Stockhoff: Does anyone know offhand the textual proof that the
> Andes are
> >actually in the east?
>
> Good question. It was something I'd rested on precedent for a while.
> Severian
> does move north and east from Nessus to get to the mountains so Andes in
> the
> east was the assumption.
>
> But this map (originating with Mantis, I believe) explains it with the
> reverse
> idea: Nessus (Buenos Aires) is on the west coast of S. America. I had
> thought
> the updated LU put the Andes in the east but now I have to go check.
> (I like the sea monsters. I guess the dragon/eel is Abaia. Perhaps the
> whirlpool
> is Scylla's counterpoint, Charybdis. But who is the crab?)
> http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/gifbin/p4/sunmaplg.jpg
>
>
> >James Wynn: I think there is little to be gained in understanding Urth as
> anything
> >but is the future of our Earth. Perhaps there is some geekish appeal
> positing that
> >it is the future of an Earth in some parallel-dimension/universe. But for
> >understanding the story and backdrop, there is little value one way or
> the other.
> >I think the interest in this debate in founded in ret-conning Briah to
> >be theologically orthodox Christian. But with all the appeals to a
> >gnostic framework in the story, why bother?
>
> I see the logic. Parallel or series universes are super-nifty cool Star
> Trekky fare.
> But for this story, I don't think the understanding to be gained by
> viewing Urth as a
> past iteration ofEarth is very geeky in nature at all. It think it is
> almost purely
> religious. I don't think there is an attempt to make Briah Orthodox
> Christian.
>
> As previously mentioned, I think the crux of the disagreement is whether
> there is a
> Christ at all in Briah. If there is, Urth is the future of Earth. If there
> is no
> Christ, Urth is some previous version. It all boils down to that.(and it
> makes sense
> that some here would be more open to the idea of a universe without Christ
> than others.)
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