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James Wynn · 02 Nov 2011, 21:51 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: crushtv at gmail.com (James Wynn)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:51:28 -0500
Subject: (urth) Hyacinth
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On 11/2/2011 9:15 AM, Lee Berman wrote:
> I was just checking into the Hyacinth myth [...]
> James Wynn has suggested Patera Incus (I think it was him, yes?) might be
> part of a gender bender thing going on. I wonder if James might find the
> inclusion of Zephyrus (West Wind) as part of the Hyacinth-Apollo story to
> be of interest.

So inquiries like this one make me realize that although my comments on 
this list don't go back as far as Borkski's or Mantis' or Roy's, it has 
been a long while now. So long, in fact, that very infamous theories 
that I helped initiate are not even lore anymore.

Immediately after I finished "The Book of the Long Sun" so many years 
ago, I posited that Hyacinth might be a male chem who had himself 
retrofitted to pass as a woman. I did not know at the time that Marc 
Aramini had posited only a few months earlier that Hyacinth might be male.

I don't believe my "male chem" theory anymore (I only half believed it 
even then), nor even Marc's "male Hyacinth" theory. I've moved on. But I 
can still see the appeal of theories along that line. There's something 
"off" about Hy. She has a secret that Chenille knows to some extent. At 
the time I offered the "male chem" theory, I noted that Hyacinth 
followed the same transformative pattern as Dracaina of "The Soldier of 
the Mist". I asked at that time "what was Hyacinth before"? I have 
another working theory that I'm currently collating. I don't think Hy is 
or has ever been male, but I am still convinced she ain't no ordinary girl.

J.

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