Pike/Oreb

larry miller · 03 Nov 2011, 00:11 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: biglar1984 at gmail.com (larry miller)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:11:12 -0400
Subject: (urth) Pike/Oreb
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Yeah that makes sense.  Right after I posted that I started to wonder
if maybe Wolfes original intention with Short Sun was similiar to Urth
of New Sun.  If thats the case maybe all of Long Suns mysteries could
be solved by looking to Short Suns text.

On 11/2/11, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/1/2011 5:47 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> For instance, is it connected with Severian's mistaking the astral Silk
>> for Master Malrubius?  We can take Severian to be a son or clone of Patera
>> P., but such a relationship with Master M. is a bit much for me.
>
> For me, it is difficult to get around the explanation that Silk and Pike
> are brother clones.
> The clincher for me is Silk's two-page struggle with why he called Blood
> "son" even though THAT WAS WHAT HE WAS TRAINED TO DO.
>
> On 11/1/2011 6:44 PM, larry miller wrote:
>> That was my first impression also that Pike was Silk from the future
>> in astral form.  Do you really think that Wolfe knew that far ahead
>> what would happen to Horn/Silk in Short Sun?
>
> He had to know what the inhumi were there for and why Quezel wanted  a
> human colony on Green. So he had a good idea of the differences between
> the two planets. There is also the foreshadowing in Silk's conversation
> with Horn, his ability to mimic Silk and such. So, yeah, I think Wolfe
> knew that Horn would become Silk. He didn't know if the SS volume would
> be published. But he knew generally what would happen if it were.
>
> J.
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