Hyacinth

Marc Aramini · 03 Nov 2011, 17:24 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: marcaramini at yahoo.com (Marc Aramini)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:24:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: (urth) Hyacinth
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--- On Thu, 11/3/11, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: (urth) Hyacinth
> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 10:09 AM
> On 11/2/2011 7:31 PM, larry miller
> wrote:
> > As someone who is rereading Long Sun in search of
> mysteries and
> > puzzles I would love to hear your theory on Hyacinths
> nature as well
> > as anything in the text that suggests she is not a
> female.? This is a
> > theory I have never heard before and Am interested in
> hearing more.
> 
> I believe Hyacinth is Fava (both beans...and beans were
> believed by the Romans to contain the souls of the dead). I
> think that after the end of SS, the Rajan reclaims Fava from
> the World of Dreams where she has been stuck. Then he goes
> back in time, says hello to Silk, then goes further back
> with Fava and releases her into the Whorl as Hyacinth. He
> then takes a job at the Juzgado (Silk's mother's intention
> for him) and is identified as her "father".? Thus, Silk
> meets him but WE never do.
> 
> Between that time and when she meets Silk, she "forgets"
> her origin (perhaps the same way the Rajan forgot that he
> was Silk), remembering Green only as a green umbrella and
> her former form as a dress, both of which she got from her
> mother (who bequeathed to her a human soul). She suddenly
> remembers everything at the end of Exodus of the LS when she
> is faced with the prospect of returning to Green.
> 
> This explains why Hy didn't know her mother was dead. The
> mother she met in Mainframe was the mother of her human
> soul--her inhumi portion has been left behind on Blue.
> 
> Problems (some small some bigger)
> 
> 1) Chenille says that Hy's father rented her out to the
> family of Colonel when she was a child. She says "they had a
> lot of sprats". Many have opined from that that Hy had lots
> of siblings. Actually, no. It was the Colonel who had a lot
> of children. Hy was being hired as a nanny.
> 
> 2) Hy seems to eat. Auk brings her a fruit which she
> demands from him.
> Actually, though, we don't see her eat it. She claims to
> have eaten the fruit whole, pit and all (improbable).
> I'm convinced she ditched the fruit. But what was she doing
> while she was alone when Auk was getting that food?
> Also, Marble asserts that Hy doesn't actually eat at all.
> Remember that the Rajan himself claimed to only pretend to
> eat until Spring came and he was ravenous (Hello, trees!
> --because the Rajan is a Neighbor who has possessed the
> bodies of Horn and Silk consecutively).
> 
> 3)? Dave Tallman has pointed out that it *appears*
> Fava is blonde in dream world. This is the part I'm still
> collating. But I don't think so.
> 
> 4) Hy has some pretty contemptuous things to say about her
> "father".
> This is a real toughy -- -- if one takes it at face value
> and assumes that this is Hy's constant and forever opinion
> of her father, then it is difficult to overcome. I suspect
> she is in intermittent communication with each other and
> this statement represents a recent falling out with him.
> 
> So there it is, for what it is worth.
> The following was something I wrote even before I came up
> with the "male chem" theory:
> http://urth.org/whorlmap/worm.htm
> 
> _______________________________________________

James, there is also the possibility that doll Mucor and Fava in the dreams are retrieving Hy's soul, and that they are separate, but they can serve as a conduit to the past without ever "being" her, only combining in a spritual gestalt for the dreams.

headache time.

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