vanished people=Hieros

David Stockhoff · 10 Nov 2011, 23:00 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:00:59 -0500
Subject: (urth) vanished people=Hieros
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On 11/10/2011 4:47 PM, James Wynn wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2011 4:01 PM, James Wynn wrote:
>>> Thinking about it, I think Gerry is the more right. The noose is the 
>>> sun rising behind the sultan's tower.  The Hunter might still be 
>>> Orion, which at the time the poem is written is "behind" the path of 
>>> the sun, still below the eastern horizon.
>>
>>
>> David Stockhoff wrote:
>> Why do you think this? Could Orion not be briefly visible? Could the 
>> sun be rising right into Orion and the tower standing before his net? 
>> I haven't worked this out at all, but it always seemed to me that the 
>> poet observes a specific night sky, with Orion, followed immediately 
>> by a dawn sky.
>
> If Orion is "in front" of the sun (in the night sky). Then he would 
> have to be well in front to be visible....and then he wouldn't be "the 
> Hunter of the East". He'd be in the West.
>
> I am imagining a Summer morning. The sun has not yet risen but a tower 
> on the horizon is in a circle of dawn. It is the day of the year when 
> the Sun is located directly over the Milky Way, right above Orion's 
> "head".  In this case, the Hesperides as the "noose" still works since 
> they might well be located directly behind the tower--even though 
> you'd have to just *know* they are there and what they are.


Hmm ... Orion would have to rise in the east ahead of the sun. I don;t 
see why not.

At any rate, I can see the sun's light as a kind of noose as well, 
lighting the entire horizon in a very short time.

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