vanished people=Hieros

David Stockhoff · 11 Nov 2011, 15:54 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:54:17 -0500
Subject: (urth) vanished people=Hieros
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On 11/11/2011 9:11 AM, Lee Berman wrote:
>
>> quote Wolfe chose is drawn from the first edition of 1859, but the same
>> translator had in his fifth edition of 1889,

>> Wake! For the Sun, who scatter'd into flight
>> The Stars before him from the Field of Night,
>> Drives Night along with them from Heav'n, and strikes
>> The Sultan's Turret with a Shaft of Light.
>
>
> Good work, Jeff. I issue a challenge to those who still interpret "the Stone" as
>
> Venus to find a published interpretation of Kayaam which matches.

Why?

Note that the later version uses a military metaphor rather than 
hunting. It's much simpler and more direct: The Sun rises triumphant in 
battle, and maybe a little phallic too.

Since none of us read Persian, we have no choice but to accept these 
wildly different versions. Maybe Orion is not really there at all, nor a 
noose or net. There's no Bowl or other medium to transmit waves from a 
flung Stone. There's no Morning to fling it. They are totally different.

But why would Wolfe use the more complex initial version if he intended 
the meaning of the second?

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