vanished people=Hieros

Lee Berman · 11 Nov 2011, 17:58 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: severiansola at hotmail.com (Lee Berman)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:58:33 -0500
Subject: (urth) vanished people=Hieros
Message-ID: <SNT123-W590B5D65ECD91E113A84D6CFDD0 at phx.gbl>

> Good work, Jeff. I issue a challenge to those who still interpret "the Stone" as
> Venus to find a published interpretation of Kayaam which matches. I looked and didn't 
> find any but perhaps there are some to be found.

>David Stockhoff: Why?

Because I enjoy being proven wrong or at least shown viable alternatives to my views. That's 

how I learn. And I've learned plenty by that process here in the past seven years. I, myself

couldn't find any counter-evidence to my contention that the Stone which chases the stars

away is the Sun. Jeff found evidence for my contention. Perhaps someone more motivated to

prove me wrong can find something against it somewhere.

>Gerry Quinn: Erm... how about the one quoted by Wolfe?

What quote by Wolfe determines that the Stone is Venus? I haven't seen such a quote but perhaps

you know of one Gerry? I'm interested to see it.

The Omar Kayaam quote appears a few pages from the very end of a 5 book series about the New Sun.

The original translator seems to think it means the sun. The sun is round, like a stone and it

does wash away the stars in the morning. I don't see the difficulty in understanding the sun

reference. After all this discussion, is the idea that it might be the sun and not be Venus be so

impossible to consider? Or is this simply a battle where not an inch may be openly ceded to the 

enemy?

In regard to the BotNS-irrelevant Hunter:

> Sure, Orion rises in the east. But not at dawn, if it wants to be 
> visible.

David Stockhoff: Not at dawn. BEFORE dawn.

Correct. The translator calls it the Hunter "of" the East not the Hunter "in" the east. 

You are where you came from.

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