Violet = Plutonium?

David Stockhoff · 13 Nov 2011, 21:47 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:47:58 -0500
Subject: (urth) Violet = Plutonium?
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On 11/13/2011 4:32 PM, Sergei SOLOVIEV wrote:
> But it was you who developed the story several steps forward (to 
> hypothetic
> meeting between Siyuf and war minister at Trivigaunte). I think her uses
> described in the text are only "tactical" - during the fighting in Viron.

My post was mainly about Violet sleeping with Siyuf. If Violet is a chem 
who fooled Siyuf, then the Minister would not be a danger to Siyuf 2. If 
she is not, then one can only wonder.
>
> By the way, the technology used to create chem "doubles" of 
> councillors seems
> more advanced than to create ordinary chems. Also we know
> very little about chem officers (but we see that the capacities
> of Sand are greater than of soldiers)

Definitely. That's not by the way at all---it seems like a strong argument.
>
>
> My impression concerning "Plutonium" is that Wolfe wanted
> to show us that chems are able to "flirt" and joke. Sand understands very
> well that Violet is human but since he thinks that she is
> Viron spy (or double agent) - works FOR Viron, he makes a 
> good-hearted  joke.

Thanks. That was my assumption for about 20 years, but rereading about 
Siyuf 2 got me thinking---always dangerous.
>
> Sergei Soloviev
>
> David Stockhoff wrote:
>> On 11/13/2011 3:54 PM, entonio at gmail.com wrote:
>>> No dia 2011/11/13, ?s 17:21, David Stockhoff 
>>> <dstockhoff at verizon.net> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> What bothers me is that Siyuf herself later appears as a chem 
>>>> double. Up to that point, the reader has no particular idea that 
>>>> chems can actually fake being human, to the point that the 
>>>> Ayuntamiento decides to send the fake Siyuf home in her place---and 
>>>> apparently succeeds though their plan fails.
>>>
>>> Quite otherwise. The reader has by then witnessed in shock the 
>>> unmasking of the chem councillors.
>>
>>
>> Not quite otherwise at all. The reader does not sleep with the 
>> councillors. Of course, we're not just talking about fooling readers, 
>> are we, um, er, hey?
>>
>> The councillors were never very convincing as humans---Patera Quetzal 
>> kept his secret longer. Lemur reveals his status almost as soon as we 
>> meet him. None of the Ayuntamiento ever went out in public anyway, so 
>> they had little need to work at fooling anyone and if they did it 
>> it's not shown. They didn't live in deep cover as Siyuf and Violet do.
>>
>> And the Siyuf double does not have a real Siyuf lying in bed 
>> controlling her. Lemur's death shows us how NOT to do it that way. 
>> The Ayuntamiento couldn't just whip another Councillor off the 
>> assembly line, could it? Silk had to bargain with a talusmaker just 
>> to get taluses.
>>
>> So how was Siyuf 2 built? What kind of tech do the Councillors have, 
>> exactly? Scanning? Instant facial replication? Is this not worth 
>> knowing?
>>
>>
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