Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere question mostly for roy

António Pedro Marques · 16 Nov 2011, 19:28 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: entonio at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QW50w7NuaW8gUGVkcm8gTWFycXVlcw==?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:28:05 +0000
Subject: (urth) Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere question mostly for roy
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Marc Aramini wrote (16-11-2011 18:26):
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> --- On Wed, 11/16/11, James Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> From: James Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: (urth) Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere question mostly for roy
>> To: "The Urth Mailing List"<urth at lists.urth.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 10:17 AM
>> On 11/16/2011 12:07 PM, Marc Aramini
>> wrote:
>>> The entire tone shift "I should have said how nice he
>> smiled and how positive he was" in paraphrase at the end of
>> OBW - it's very clear what has happened.  Horn was a
>> negative unlikeable guy. Silk positive.
>>
>> I think this viewpoint is an aspect of how Wolfe chose to
>> tell the story and the fact that the reader does not realize
>> during OBW all that has occurred before. Horn's relationship
>> is quite close with Sinew based on how Sinew speaks him. But
>> the narrator at that time is not *merely* Horn however one
>> interprets his resurrection. The narrator addressing Horn's
>> attitude to Sinew is viewing him as the one who rebelled on
>> Green and killed Horn's body. To him, Sinew is a
>> judas.  How else is Horn portrayed as unlikeable? He
>> was entrusted with the mission to find Silk. Marrow's
>> conversation with him seemed affable. Mucor seems to respect
>> him.
>>
>> At the end of OBW, the narrator is reconciled to Sinew in
>> his own heart. Thus, what he says about Sinew has a change
>> of tone as well.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> I disagree with that assessment: Horn is violent and seeks to beat the  man who stole or did not watch his boat, he cheats on Nettle but claims he loves her at times, he is more a "might makes right when I can get away with it" kind of guy (and this is seen with the staff fighting in Rttw when Horn is dominant in Silk in the 3rd person sections)
>
> Silk is completely different: Horn says GOODBYE then the tone shifts immediately.  That's how Silk's characer is shown: he rereads and says, I should have said this nice thing about that man, I should have said that nice thing about that other guy - Horn dwells on the negative, Silk does not.  I am certain this is how Gene was showing character of the narrator here, read the last two chapters of OBW again and see that after Horn says good=bye, the Silk type talk starts.

You do have in mind that the BNS only started being written in Gaon, was all 
written by the same hand (except for the chapters by Hide and the others) 
and that the events described were not simultaneous to the writing, namely 
that whatever happened in that island with Horn was written long afterwards, 
and nothing special happened to the writer between writing it and the 
chpater following it?

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