Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere question mostly for roy
David Stockhoff · 18 Nov 2011, 14:55
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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:55:13 -0500 Subject: (urth) Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere question mostly for roy In-Reply-To: <E83E0AEE3FB54F6FBFEB49CBF2A5849B@Rover> References: <4EC54A41.7040905 at verizon.net><061126B19194423DB23E95D11A04B7C4@Rover><4EC568B4.2010000 at gmail.com> <30CCB4E656784E9CB2A35BF816DF9972@Rover><4EC57488.2070108 at gmail.com> <4EC585A7.4040701 at gmail.com><4EC59496.2090606 at gmail.com> <3A16DEBE-B950-4D51-BD18-7EA03D9ED6B6 at gmail.com><4EC5A400.60600 at verizon.net> <4EC5B601.7020206 at gmail.com> <4EC66899.1080304 at verizon.net> <E83E0AEE3FB54F6FBFEB49CBF2A5849B@Rover> Message-ID: <4EC671D1.5090807 at verizon.net> On 11/18/2011 9:42 AM, Gerry Quinn wrote: > *From:* David Stockhoff <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net> > > In this case, the Rajan may simply have been happy to be home again, > and > > > saw the hat and wondered what he might look like in it after so much > > > time and change. > I agree ? it?s a reasonable explanation for the hat *if* we think it?s > reasonable that Pike is a time-travelling Rajan, which I still don?t. So let's agree that main objection to a time-traveling Rajan is not the presence of a hat, but the time-traveling Rajan himself. That is, the theory rests on demonstration of time-traveling, not on motives for wearing a hat. Which therefore are irrelevant, unless the hat can be shown to be a primary motivation for his time traveling, in which case it still doesn't touch on the basic possibility. > > > > I think Silk = Typhon is one such simple starting point that the reason > > > we find it hard to see is that it has been written over by all the > > > subsequent development. But rather than being a Deep Meaning, I think > > > these templates are the least important parts of the story, if only > > > because they are universal. Silk's identity is important to Wolfe but > > > not to the reader, so he leaves it covered by all his secondary and > > > tertiary construction. > That makes sense to me also. [In the general sense, not specifically > about Silk as Typhon which I can see the logic of ? this is how Typhon > intends to come to Blue - but am not committed to.] Now that's an idea. Do you think Typhon did all this to get his genes to Blue/Green? For any reason beyond mere ego and the fact that he could? I can certainly see him wanting to "lead his people" to another world. Also, though whatever historical "change of heart" he had (see past discussion on the library at Nessus) does not seem to have made him less satanic when he meets Severian, it does seem that his "descendant" Pas is more benevolent father than brutal conqueror.
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