Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere question mostly for roy

Marc Aramini · 19 Nov 2011, 03:24 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: marcaramini at yahoo.com (Marc Aramini)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:24:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (urth) Fwd: Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere question mostly for roy
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ARE going, sorry.  Somethings wrong with me lately.

--- On Fri, 11/18/11, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: (urth) Fwd: Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere question mostly for roy
> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
> Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 7:23 PM
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 11/18/11, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: (urth) Fwd: Babbiehorn?: Was: a sincere
> question mostly for roy
> > To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
> > Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 7:05 PM
> > 
> > >> James, you and I see the story very
> > differently.???I think Horn sacrifices
> > himself at the end of oBW when he goes into babbie.
> > > 
> > > Yeah, I get that. But I don't see how Horn even
> > _could_ have chosen to do that unless he were already
> far
> > more than human. Anyway, I think Horn had already
> been
> > absorbed into Babbie in the same way Rose was absorbed
> into
> > her hands. The hus is a quite peculiar plot element,
> though.
> > Unlike the other indigenous lifeforms of Blue, it's
> really
> > not clear to me how his species came to get it's name.
> What
> > Murcor intended in sending Babbie with Horn is
> important, I
> > think.
> > 
> > It does say something that we approach Wolfe so
> similarly
> > and yet come away with so variant conclusions.
> > I suppose that is why he wrote the stories like
> that...so
> > that only I would be right. ;-)
> 
> heh heh.? Well, we DO agree on some key things: a
> neighbor is born at the pit that is in some sense Horn, a
> new life form; that fava goes backwards to retrieve Hy's
> spirit (though once again we take that different places);
> that Silk has straight up killed himself, etc.
> 
> I think our readings our going in different directions on
> this one because I think the faerie are a secondary concern
> to Wolfe next to his didactic religious catholic symbols in
> short sun and that Horn as nieghbor seems like something
> from his "5th Head of Cerberus" writing period - I think
> this text is about a meaningful sacrifice and that Horn
> understands very well how the neighbors work when he sits
> under that tree.? You are a bit more myth oriented than
> I am; I can appreciate allusions but am far more likely to
> latch onto the ceremonies of the Catholic church and their
> symbolism in any Wolfe reading as the central element.
> "Unless you eat of this bread and drink of this blood, you
> shall not have life within you."? "This is my body,
> which shall be given up for you.? This is my blood, the
> blood of the new and everlasting covenant, it will be shed
> for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven."? I
> think Horn's sacrifice and the eucharistic scene are
>  very very key to my understanding of Short Sun.
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