Like a good Neighbor

David Stockhoff · 21 Nov 2011, 23:36 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:36:32 -0500
Subject: (urth) Like a good Neighbor
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This is science fiction.

On 11/21/2011 4:57 PM, Sergei SOLOVIEV wrote:
> My main objection is to the "binary logics" - pushing of everything to 
> absolute
> extreme (absolute "yes" or "no"). How anybody acquires new abilities is
> very interesting. But it is possible without dying.
> E.g., Jorge Luis Borges started to write novels after he
> was hit in the head. Mystics often compared their prophetic experience
> with death. (Muhammad got the Quran in one second when he
> had an epileptic fit. ) Some traces of this remain in the ritual
> when somebody becomes monk - he has to die to the world, his name
> is changed etc.
>
> Sergei Soloviev
>
> David Stockhoff wrote:
>> That is at least plausible.
>>
>> Why do you think a death here harms the story? How do you explain 
>> Horn's newfound abilities?
>>
>> On 11/20/2011 2:47 PM, Sergei SOLOVIEV wrote:
>>> And because she thinks that Horn is dead, she is afraid to come
>>> because all her undersea wild instincts may awake. She is afraid
>>> that she may want to eat Horn. She is too afraid to check whether
>>> he is alive. And she wants so much to be like "normal" humans.
>>>
>>> Sergei Soloviev
>>>
>>>
>>> Marc Aramini wrote:
>>>> Also, she says, "dead things are food", which is kind of where my 
>>>> eaten thing comes in, with sharing blood to commune with neighbors, 
>>>> eucharist, etc.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sun, 11/20/11, Marc Aramini /<marcaramini at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: (urth) Like a good Neighbor
>>>> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
>>>> Date: Sunday, November 20, 2011, 11:22 AM
>>>>
>>>> Uhh ... the chapter is titled "the end" and it says "the best part
>>>> of my life was oveer. The pit was its grave". In addition,
>>>> doesn't she say he was dead? come on man there are at least some
>>>> disturbing deathly images.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sun, 11/20/11, Gerry Quinn /<gerry at bindweed.com>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: (urth) Like a good Neighbor
>>>> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
>>>> Date: Sunday, November 20, 2011, 11:18 AM
>>>>
>>>> *From:* James Wynn
>>>> <http://us.mc1618.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=crushtv at gmail.com>
>>>> > Gerry's mistake (one of them) is thinking that all the
>>>> Neighbors must be acting
>>>> >
>>>> in concert, always with larger ultimate plan in mind. If we
>>>> were talking about
>>>> >
>>>> a human character, he wouldn't make that mistake.
>>>> I don?t think that about Neighbours and I don;t know where you
>>>> think I have suggested it. Like humans, they clearly do often
>>>> act in concert.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> Just because a young faerie has acted to resurrect Horn out of
>>>> personal guilt
>>>> >
>>>> does not mean he stopped to plan beyond that decision.
>>>> I can?t understand how you entertain this hypothesis. Are you
>>>> saying Horn was dead or alive when he noticed a Neighbour
>>>> bending over him? If the Neighbour waited for him to die, or
>>>> actively killed him, he?d have had time to notice that Horn
>>>> was stuck in a pit. Maybe he thought humans could fly.
>>>> Also, if ?Glittering eyes and sharp faces came and went?
>>>> refers to Neighbours, there must have been more than one of
>>>> them. Surely they would have dissuaded their comrade, or
>>>> helped him if they could not dissuade him. Or just reminded
>>>> him of what he was.
>>>> Horn didn?t die in the pit. There?s nothing that strongly
>>>> indicates that he did and a million things that make it
>>>> obvious that he didn?t. - Gerry Quinn
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