Like a good neighbor

David Stockhoff · 23 Nov 2011, 15:23 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:23:06 -0500
Subject: (urth) Like a good neighbor
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On 11/23/2011 10:02 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:
> Also, I know I've said this before, but I really don't like the clone Typhon-Silk because it does complicate the four parents on the aureate path: we CAN identify them if Silk is a son and that fits the details better (assuming the final picture of Silk with his head on Typhon is one of ascension and apotheosis of a son overtaking the demiurge, which actually seems a bit gnostic, no?).  The details of the text are also better fitted with Tussah as a being distinct from Typhon, honestly. There are no dream sequences equating them in the way that Mamelta/Hy/Kypris/Chenille are equated.  The best evidence for cloning is found in statements like "Pas grew himself from a seed" and the idea of a nightside and regular Silk, but the particulars of the text make it much more tenable to identify the parents if we are dealing with a son, which is, as Lemur said, what Typhon wanted to replace him.

Is it impossible to equate a clone with a son? After all, if you or I 
cloned ourselves, we would raise the result as a son. All we'd be doing 
is cutting out the middle, er, middlewoman (at least her genetic 
contribution). We wouldn't expect this son to be identical to us---he'd 
have different parents, a different history, scars, everything. Was 
Athena not the daughter of Zeus?

If this semantic distinction causes such a problem, why not just let it go?

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