Pike's ghost

Sergei SOLOVIEV · 27 Nov 2011, 22:25 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: soloviev at irit.fr (Sergei SOLOVIEV)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:25:27 +0100
Subject: (urth) Pike's ghost
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What age have the children of Typhon? He had to send the Whorl the year
before the end of his rule - the year between the operation (grafting)
and rebellions.

Sergei Soloviev

Larry Miller wrote:
> Where does it say when Typhon was grafted to Piaton?  And not to be a
> smart ass but since when is a year not enough time to have children.
> Besides even if Piaton did not father children through sexual
> relations there is still artificial insemination, cloning, etc.  Maybe
> his children began life as embryos.  There is that comment to Severian
> that he was not born as we might think it.  Perhaps it was the same
> for his children.
>
> On 11/27/11, Sergei SOLOVIEV <soloviev at irit.fr> wrote:
>   
>> It is said that the head of Typhon was grafted to Piaton's body about  one
>> year before the fall of his empire! It had no time to take control
>> (it is said in the Sword of the Lictor, and in UotNS Severian meets
>> Typhon trying to recover after his operation). Not enough time to make
>> children!
>>
>> Sergei Soloviev
>>
>> Larry Miller wrote:
>>     
>>> Yes but Typhon seems to have done the opposite of those such as
>>> Baldanders.  He began as a monster that transformed himself into a
>>> human so that he could rule over humans.   Him being able to breed
>>> with humans  may be another reason why he undertook such a transplant.
>>>  Maybe Piaton is biologically the father of his children (we know that
>>> his sexual organs are still functional because of him "nursing his
>>> erection")?
>>>
>>> On 11/27/11, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> From: Larry Miller
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Severian sees him as a "man" because Piaton is a human.  Typhons head
>>>>> however may closely resemble a human or might even be the head of
>>>>> another human body he possessed so that could explain why Severian
>>>>> doesnt remark upon any alien characteristics.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> I don?t see much reason to think he is non-human, though he may be an
>>>> off-world human.  Sure, he doesn?t have a saint?s name, but then again he
>>>> made himself into a monster of sorts (Baldanders may have done the same).
>>>> His family appear to be human, and Cilinia, the only other of his family
>>>> to
>>>> be named, bears a saint?s name.  He?s apparently human enough to breed
>>>> with
>>>> humans.  And nobody suggests he is not human AFAIK.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> His psychic abilities
>>>>> (if he does possess any) seem to be quite different than Decuman who
>>>>> IIRC is the only other human who has any mental powers.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> I think Decuman was merely the most powerful sorceror in his group, not
>>>> the
>>>> only one.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> His comment
>>>>> about sending his thoughts seem much more in common with the astral
>>>>> travel done by the Inhumi and the Neighbors who are not human.  It
>>>>> seems Typhon engineered abilities akin to his into humans (as in the
>>>>> case of Mucor) later.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> I still reckon he is just referring to communications technology here.
>>>> - Gerry Quinn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
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