Pike's Ghost

Larry Miller · 28 Nov 2011, 00:04 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: decanus1284 at gmail.com (Larry Miller)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:04:29 -0500
Subject: (urth) Pike's Ghost
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Thanks again Lee.  I know that Typhon was grafted onto Piaton, my
question was when?  I was wondering where the One year figure came
from between Typhons grafting and his death.  If Piaton wasnt the
biological father then perhaps it was the blond haired man?

On 11/27/11, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>larry miller: I think the more likely explanation regarding Silk as clone
>
>>is that Silk is not a clone of Typhons original alien body but a clone of
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>>the blond haired man whose head is grafted onto Piaton.
>
>
>
> Agreed. (and it would solve some debates on the issue of "Silk=Pas?")
>
>
>
>>While Jonas isnt a saintly name it is derived from the bible.
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>
>
> yep, and we learn that Jonas isn't from the Commonwealth nor even human so
>
> the saintly rule is not broken with him. (interestingly, neither is there a
>
> Saint Miles)
>
>
>
>>all the human characters that are from pre-Conciliator era such as Declan,
>
>>Hadelin,  Zama,  Herena, even Ymar all named after saints.  Ceryx the
>
>>Necromancer who also possesses some mental abilities and who is also
>> probably
>
>>from off-world bears a mythological name. Wolfes naming scheme still
>> sticks.
>
>>...Does he do anything else extraordinary that Telekinesis wouldnt explain?
>
>
>
> Still sizzlin' larry! Yep, the Commonwealth names were saintly before the
>
> Conciliator. And in addition to telekinesis, Ceryx reanimates Zama, in
> zombie
>
> fashion. Not as good as Severian but still (dark) magic. This dark
> reanimation
>
> calls to mind some other BotNS characters. Also, I think Ceryx is best seen
>
> as Typhon's vizier scouting out this new wonderworker. After the Ceryx
> encounter,
>
> Typhon's soldiers start looking for Severian to bring him in. (some
> interesting
>
> possibilities might arise if Ceryx is vizier, btw).
>
>
>>Where does it say when Typhon was grafted to Piaton?
>
>
>
> Typhon says it, very specifically. "Nor was Piaton grafted to me. I was
> grafted
>
> to him. What do you think of that?"
>
>
>
> Also, Piaton's body was strapped down while Typhon waited for his neural
> connections
>
> to dominate and the corpse appears to still have been strapped down when
>
> Typhon/Piaton died. So I think we can rule out Piaton's body being used for
> reproduction.
>
>
>
> An interesting question is- in what manner do Typhon and Echidna have
> reproductive
>
> sex and have all those kids if they were aliens? And the answer, again, may
> be found
>
> in mythology.
>
>
>
> We could ask how a 40 mile tall monster with 100 heads, snakes for legs,
> with fire
>
> belching out from all his orifices manage to have sex with a snake woman who
> lives
>
> in cave? Very carefully? I suppose he has to duck his head when he comes in.
> But, in
>
> seriousness, we can't really comprehend such a thing, nor are we really
> meant to. The
>
> ancients used impossible images to explain that which human beings can't
> really understand.
>
> Gene Wolfe also.  		 	   		
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