Pike's Ghost

Larry Miller · 29 Nov 2011, 02:06 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: decanus1284 at gmail.com (Larry Miller)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:06:18 -0500
Subject: (urth) Pike's Ghost
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Well the Tleilaxu females are lobotomized, hooked to machines, and
mutate into massive piles of flesh large enough to birth a full size
human clone (or Ghola as the are called in the Duniverse).  Id say
thats more chilling then a dark, dirty tub!

On 11/28/11, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:
> Ah, good. I'm actually a bit disappointed to hear that, because I always
> found the combination of the word "vat" to be chilling in the context of
> growing cloned humans. I thought of dank, dark tubs.
>
> Yes, Typhon would have tried that.
>
> On 11/28/2011 7:20 PM, Larry Miller wrote:
>> Yeah thats interesting for sure.  I agree with David though. Someone
>> tried to grow a human being.  The question is who that someone is.
>> Typhon is a logical choice.  By the way the Axolotl Tanks are revealed
>> to be the bodies of Tleilaxu females so the vats are wombs. Sorry big
>> Dune fan so I had to chime in on that.
>>
>> On 11/28/11, David Stockhoff<dstockhoff at verizon.net>  wrote:
>>> On 11/28/2011 6:43 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>>> From: Lee Berman severiansola at hotmail.com
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Leaving the question of Typhon's alien nature aside for now, the
>>>>> Mandragora
>>>>> seems
>>>>> almost indisputable proof of Typhon's potential to be cloned or
>>>>> downloaded
>>>>> into a
>>>>> new body in some manner. There is nothing dragon-like about the fetus
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> bottle.
>>>>> What possible reason is there for Wolfe to call it "Mandragora" if not
>>>>> to refer to
>>>>> Typhon, the only other reference to a man-dragon there is.
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Oddly enough, a possible answer is at Wikipedia.
>>>>
>>>> "Some alchemists, impressed by this idea, speculated on the culture of
>>>> the
>>>> mandragore, and experimented in the artificial reproduction of a soil
>>>> sufficiently fruitful and a sun sufficiently active to humanise the said
>>>> root, and thus create men without the concurrence of the female."  A
>>>> Wikipedia editor has added, "(See: Homunculus)."
>>>>
>>>>>  From /Transcendental Magic: Its Doctrine and Ritual/ by ?liphas L?vi,
>>>>> translated by Arthur Edward Waite.  The book is at
>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=e0GcOrh-xNAC&pg=PA323
>>>>
>>>> There's a little more on plant-animal hybridization in the full passage,
>>>> and perhaps people will find other points of interest.
>>>>
>>>> So this may be saying that someone has taken a mandrake root and
>>>> humanized
>>>> it, creating a homunculus.
>>>>
>>>> No doubt there's much more to say about this, but this margin is too
>>>> small.
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Friedman
>>> Awesome. My guess is that it indicates someone tried to grow a human in
>>> a vat, as in Dune, vs surgically placing it in a womb, as done by Blood.
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