Pike's ghost

Larry Miller · 01 Dec 2011, 03:19 · from 2011-November.txt.gz

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From: decanus1284 at gmail.com (Larry Miller)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:19:37 -0500
Subject: (urth) Pike's ghost
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I dont think Inire was on Urth during Typhons time.  He may have made
visits to that time period via his mirrors but IMHO I dont believe he
started taking part in Urths history until after Typhons downfall.  I
wouldnt rule out though that he had a part in elevating Ymar (another
lowly torturer) to the throne and establishing the line of Autarchs.
Perhaps these were the purpose of the aforementioned visits?

On 11/30/11, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/30/2011 4:51 PM, Larry Miller wrote:
>>> gotcha.
>
>> On 11/30/11, Gerry Quinn<gerry at bindweed.com>  wrote:
>>> He talks about his predecessors, and uses the magic Autarch words to get
>>> in.
>
>
>>David Stockhoff: Not quite. It's here:
>
>>"Yet it was impossible that I should occupy a suite other than that
>>anciently set aside for the autarchs...."
>
>>Thus the suite is "that anciently set aside for the autarchs.">
>
>
>
> Yes. If we read carefully, the text more precisely supports larry:  that
> Severian
>
> has the memories of all the old autarchs evidenced by his knowledge of
> ancient
>
> autarch words.  That Severian finds nothing familiar in the suites set aide
> for
>
> the autarchs suggests that no previous autarch ever used the suite.
>
>
>
> Thus, larry's conclusion that the contents of the suite, including the
> mandragora,
>
> may date back to Typhon's era, is supported. You could argue that Severian
> just
>
> happens to remember the words for the suite but just happens to forget the
> contents.
>
> But the only purpose of such a toothless assertion would be a desperate
> attempt to
>
> win a losing battle.
>
>
>
> We have Brian's definition of "mandragora" referring to shamans and
> sorcerers. larry
>
> do you have any views on Father Inire and what he was doing during Typhon's
> reign? 		 	   		
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