Gummed-Up Works or Got Lives?

Gerry Quinn · 18 Dec 2011, 22:31 · from 2011-December.txt.gz

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From: gerry at bindweed.com (Gerry Quinn)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:31:06 -0000
Subject: (urth) Gummed-Up Works or Got Lives?
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From: David Stockhoff 


On 12/18/2011 3:04 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
> *From:* David Stockhoff <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net>
> On 12/18/2011 10:51 AM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
>
> > > > Severian was certainly not responsible for Dorcas?s death, so placing
> > > > him as the witch (or wicked fairy, in the canonical version of
> > > > Sleeping Beauty) is absurd.
>
> > > Christ, Gerry. He raised her from the dead. No one said he was wicked.

> > Then trying to make a correspondence between him and the witch in the 
> > story (either story) is ridiculous.

> Ah, I see. You did not know witches come in both black and white.
Neither Sleeping Beauty nor Snow White was raised by a witch (at best, a good fairy ameliorated the spell on Sleeping Beauty).  And white witches don?t wear fuligin.  

> > There?s a difference between figurative language and un-thought-out 
> > nonsense. I?m sorry if it discomfits you that I can distinguish 
> > between them.

> Literature must all look like nonsense to you, no matter how well 
> "thought out." No, it saddens me that you are unable to understand the 
> books you spend so much time trying to reduce to codes and formulas. But 
> it saddens me more that you are bent on preventing others from having a 
> conversation unbound by those codes and formulas.

Literature doesn?t look like nonsense to me.  This argument of yours, however, is plainly nonsense.  Requiring that an argument make sense is not an excessive demand, even if you find it restrictive.


> From now on, all your posts will be deleted from 
> my mailbox before I see them.

<Shrug> If you actually cared whether your arguments made sense, you would read challenges to them even if you chose not to respond.  I guess that pretty much shows us what your concept of literary analysis amounts to in the end.

- Gerry Quinn

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