Urth Net

← back to the conversation

S&S vs. SF in BotNS

Jeff Wilson · 22 Dec 2011, 19:57 · from 2011-December.txt.gz

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: jwilson at clueland.com (Jeff Wilson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0600
Subject: (urth) S&S vs. SF in BotNS
In-Reply-To: <CAJ8=rtgEpZgx8hdf60YRQo47w0WXwvWDry0LD7THftp4FTKngw at mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGB0RZ5cqMvUujjGW+5x2qCrKc8BaEMHyggrNLCsVEVNbgp2xA at mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGB0RZ6Z_0wi+RbqNSjuhBj_iq=v6oRm2KBj_YcXWWz4GEzKLw at mail.gmail.com>
	<1324408368.30211.YahooMailNeo at web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<E7E5D56ABC984891B98B625390C9A857@Rover>
	<1324502718.91721.YahooMailNeo at web114714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAJ8=rtgEpZgx8hdf60YRQo47w0WXwvWDry0LD7THftp4FTKngw at mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF38BAC.90308 at clueland.com>

On 12/21/2011 3:30 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
> Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
>> To me, goety and theurgy are only one branch of magic.
>> Another is the kind that works by sympathy and contagion,
>>   such as sticking pins in dolls or keeping one's accidental
>> cut from being infected by cleaning the knife that caused it.....
>
> Exactly so. The big distinction is between magia, the application of
> natural laws like sympathy and contagion; and goetia, dealings with
> supernatural powers. Some years ago I wrote a mini essay on this for a
> friend who was defending the Harry Potter books for her church:
> http://www.molthagen.de/kerstin/buecher/hp_anleit_ddo.html


As you note, this very broad definition of magia envelops science and 
technology and medicine and 2-3 other chunks of the Dewey Decimal System 
within "magic." In this sense, almost every cause and effect in the 
BotNS is magical, because it is also material.


-- 
Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com
Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana
< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >

An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net