Urth Net

← back to the conversation

S&S vs. SF in BotNS

Jeff Wilson · 23 Dec 2011, 05:42 · from 2011-December.txt.gz

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: jwilson at clueland.com (Jeff Wilson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:42:39 -0600
Subject: (urth) S&S vs. SF in BotNS
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W6264EC536A69C6A6153331CFAA0 at phx.gbl>
References: <SNT123-W6264EC536A69C6A6153331CFAA0 at phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4EF414CF.3000700 at clueland.com>

On 12/22/2011 2:20 PM, Lee Berman wrote:
> I hope you won't try the argument that Zeus' thunderbolts and witches crop hexings was
> fake while sub-atomic physics and neurosurgery are real. Ancient experts predicted
> thunderstorms and crop failures and they were usually right and came to be believed.
> You have never seen an electron and you have not done original research on the subject.
> Electricity seems to work so you believe the experts who tell you how it works. Same for
> brain surgery when you submit to the knife. Belief in science and technology is fully a
> matter of faith as much as mythology/religion.

You're overlooking reproducible results. Preindustrial crop hexings are 
not reproducible by witches, while electrons are tamed well enough that 
we can reproduce Zeus-strength lightning as necessary and prevent it 
from striking houses when it occurs naturally.


-- 
Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com
Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana
< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >

An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net