The Wizard

Marc Aramini · 06 Mar 2012, 21:36 · from 2012-March.txt.gz

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From: marcaramini at yahoo.com (Marc Aramini)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:36:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (urth) The Wizard
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Daniel, I meant women of power as "goddesses" or beings of worship (apheta, Kypris, Laura, Disiri, etc) not all female characters.? However, perhaps Scylla and Sphigx count and are not sexualized.? It seems to me that Marble, Nettle, Olivine are diffent than Kypris et al.

--- On Tue, 3/6/12, Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) The Wizard
To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 11:41 AM

in the Sun Cycle, where we may see female beings of power, but they are ultimately trumped and always seem to be stuck in a primarily sexual mindset (Kypris, etc)

Except, except, except.... Marble! Mint! Nettle! Olivine! ?(And the skull-faced gal whose name escapes me - and I'm sure there are others.) ?Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine - there are beautifully (and sometimes tragically so) women characters who are NOT simply sex-power beings in Long and Short Sun at least, and I always hate to see them get overlooked in light of the perhaps more obvious cases like the kind you cite. ?(New Sun does maybe look more unalleviated in portraying women this way.)

-DOJP

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:

--- On Tue, 3/6/12, Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) The Wizard
To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 10:46 AM

Yeah, Lee, the whole point in Wolfe is for there to be few and oblique Christian references that are completely outnumbered and out-everything-elsed that still end up subverting the hordes of 'pagan' overlords. ?It's genius, even if one doesn't agree with him. ?And he's a generous storyteller, not a cranky crank trying to condemn everyone. ?He graciously invites readers to hear the Outsider and be part of Silk's revolution, exodus, and new frontier. 

-DOJP
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I would also want to state that I think the intention of Wolfe in There are Doors was very different than the Sun stories: the sex goddess/death of males after mating is simply not the dominant paradigm in the Sun Cycle, where we may see female beings of power, but they are ultimately trumped and always seem to be stuck in a primarily sexual mindset (Kypris, etc)
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