The Wizard

Daniel Petersen · 06 Mar 2012, 21:57 · from 2012-March.txt.gz

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From: danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com (Daniel Petersen)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:57:14 +0000
Subject: (urth) The Wizard
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Yeah, I'm trying to remember if* any* god or goddess comes out well in that
series...

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Daniel, I meant women of power as "goddesses" or beings of worship
> (apheta, Kypris, Laura, Disiri, etc) not all female characters.  However,
> perhaps Scylla and Sphigx count and are not sexualized.  It seems to me
> that Marble, Nettle, Olivine are diffent than Kypris et al.
>
> --- On *Tue, 3/6/12, Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>*wrote:
>
>
> From: Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: (urth) The Wizard
> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
> Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 11:41 AM
>
> in the Sun Cycle, where we may see female beings of power, but they are
> ultimately trumped and always seem to be stuck in a primarily sexual
> mindset (Kypris, etc)
>
>
> Except, except, except.... Marble! Mint! Nettle! Olivine!  (And the
> skull-faced gal whose name escapes me - and I'm sure there are others.)
>  Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine - there are beautifully (and sometimes
> tragically so) women characters who are NOT simply sex-power beings in Long
> and Short Sun at least, and I always hate to see them get overlooked in
> light of the perhaps more obvious cases like the kind you cite.  (New Sun
> does maybe look more unalleviated in portraying women this way.)
>
> -DOJP
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com<http://us.mc1618.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marcaramini at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 3/6/12, Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com<http://us.mc1618.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com<http://us.mc1618.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: (urth) The Wizard
> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net<http://us.mc1618.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at lists.urth.net>
> >
> Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 10:46 AM
>
> Yeah, Lee, the whole point in Wolfe is for there to be few and oblique
> Christian references that are completely outnumbered and
> out-everything-elsed that still end up subverting the hordes of 'pagan'
> overlords.  It's genius, even if one doesn't agree with him.  And he's a
> generous storyteller, not a cranky crank trying to condemn everyone.  He
> graciously invites readers to hear the Outsider and be part of Silk's
> revolution, exodus, and new frontier.
>
> -DOJP
>
>
> I would also want to state that I think the intention of Wolfe in There
> are Doors was very different than the Sun stories: the sex goddess/death of
> males after mating is simply not the dominant paradigm in the Sun Cycle,
> where we may see female beings of power, but they are ultimately trumped
> and always seem to be stuck in a primarily sexual mindset (Kypris, etc)
>
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