Lupiverse(s) was Re: The Wizard
Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 12 Mar 2012, 15:33
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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:33:26 -0700 Subject: (urth) Lupiverse(s) was Re: The Wizard In-Reply-To: <0E46D00C869547BCB020D15A20FA0114@Rover> References: <B54F592F-F866-47F3-9D19-395623B23291 at gmail.com> <1331520091.41246.YahooMailClassic at web161803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1331524124.71161.YahooMailNeo at web114703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1331525798.91743.YahooMailNeo at web121006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4F5D8C2F.20907 at clueland.com> <0E46D00C869547BCB020D15A20FA0114@Rover> Message-ID: <CAJ8=rtipY3dy+SDL4Lo+636AGnKOim7Grc1nt9E_AGsAgqXDdA at mail.gmail.com> Gerry Quinn wrote: > What about the Incarnation?? First, this is not really a past, present or > future Earth, it is a universe created by Gene Wolfe.? Whatever he believes > does not necessarily apply here, and something equivalent to the Incarnation > might well take a different form there. I think you misunderstand how creativity works for Catholic fantasists. While free to subcreate a Catholic fantasist seeks to imitate the work of God in doing so. Thus, for example, Tolkien calls the Ainur "gods" but makes it very clear that they are in effect archangelic powers subject to and created by the One God Eru Iluvatar, and that even the world they "make" is given actuality by the word of Eru. I believe that, similarly, Wolfe is careful in his subcreation to always subordinate himself and his work to the work of God. Whatever kind of goddish beings may be present, whatever mythologies present themselves, whatever manner and amount of universes are present, all ultimately owe their existence and their loyalty (however miunderstood) to the One God, the Increate and Pancreator, who stands beyond all His creations as the Outsider. Only in one universe does He step Inside as the Incarnate God, the Theoanthropos, and it is through that Incarnation that whatever salvation is possible, is possible in _any_ universe. All this is necessary in order for Wolfe's creations not to be blasphemous, and I believe he takes great care to maintain that necessity. >? [Frankly, I don?t any Jesuit would > be shocked if you proposed that it may take a different form on different > planets of our own universe.] Yes, I think they would, at least if it involved a sacrificial death. > Secondly, I would guess that Wolfe?s belief > in the truth of Catholicism does not mean he believes it is more than an > imperfect reflection of the unknowable absolute truth. Here we, and orthodox Catholic theology, are in agreement. Catholicism believes it has the true and best understanding possible for us of the holy things, but acknowledges that they are ultimately mysteries beyond our finite understanding. Though many Catholics still believe that the gods of other faiths are demons, modern Catholic teaching has it that they (at least most of them) are imperfect approaches to the truth. > Short version: leave > the dogmas of twenty-first century Catholicism, Dionysism, or any other > ?ism out when analysing this piece of fiction. Here, on the other hand, we disagree completely. To ignore Wolfe's beliefs is to do the work a great violence. -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
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