Lupiverse)s)

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From: entonio at gmail.com (entonio at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:06:45 +0000
Subject: (urth) Lupiverse)s)
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No dia 13/03/2012, ?s 20:10, "Gerry Quinn" <gerry at bindweed.com> escreveu:

>  
>  
> From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques
>  
> Gerry Quinn wrote (13-03-2012 15:44):
> > > The ?Failed Jesus? of every previous iteration is just one problem.  What
> > > about iterations *subsequent* to the one with the Incarnation?  Either that
> > > is the last iteration (which is nowhere suggested) or the subsequent
> > > iterations are better than that one... and yet they also must have some sort
> > > of Failed Jesus or Post Jesus rather than the one true Jesus Christ.  How
> > > can that be?
> 
> > There isn't a requirement that iterations are linearly comparable.
>  
> Not quite sure what you mean by that, but the passage describing the iterations goes as follows:
> ?As the flower that comes is like the flower from which it came, so the universe that comes repeats the one whose ruin was its origin; and this is as true of its finer features as of its grosser ones: The worlds that arise are not unlike the worlds that perished, and are peopled by similar races, though just as the  flower evolves from summer to summer, all things advance by some minute step.?

There is no requirement there that each iteration will be better than the preceding one, either in average, in totality or in parts. One summer, the flower that comes may be the best flower that will ever come. Next summer's may advance minutely into decadence. 


> > > Also, if ours is the final, perfect iteration... well, it seems like it
> > > ought to be a little bit better, doesn?t it?  Really, the universe of Urth
> > > despite various SF horrors doesn?t seem especially terrible compared to our
> > > imaginings of this one, or even our history.
> 
> > Again, in our universe Humanity has *just* reched the stage where knowledge, 
> > including religious knowledge, becomes globalised. It's quite different from 
> > a universe which is long past that stage. Either something good is to come 
> > out of a globalisation of our knowledge and values or it isn't. The latter 
> > view is relativistic, imo.
>  
> It reached/will reach the same stage in past and future iterations also.

That has nothing to do with the fact that you're comparing an Earth at the beginning of its journey with an Urth at the end of its own. Heck, it's as if I was saying nonagenarian artist X hadn't achieved much and you countered that our own just-out-of-high-school teen artist Y hadn't achieved much either. Then I point out Y is barely beginning and you counter that X has had a beginning too!
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