Saint Catherine and the Nature of the Flood

Jordon Flato · 14 Mar 2012, 23:05 · from 2012-March.txt.gz

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From: jordonflatourth at gmail.com (Jordon Flato)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:05:25 -0700
Subject: (urth) Saint Catherine and the Nature of the Flood
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Jeff, yes, that was what I was trying to say.  Thanks.  I didn't take the
time to lay it out correctly.  My main point is that this uplifting of
humanity is the purpose of the flood, not just as a consequence of the
White Fountain.

Dan'l,

Clearly a lot of the Saints names were added by the translator, we know
this.  But, it's the RITUAL that I'm concerned with.  Did the translator
add that in?  Because the wheel, the roses, the striking off of the head,
all of that is REALLY from Catherines story, regardless of her name.  That
is the story of Saint Catherine.  So, did the translator completely add in
all of that for some reason?  Or did all of that stuff really occur to
Severian.  And if it happened, it is following the story of a Christian
Saint, who wouldn't have existed to generate the story if there hadn't been
a Christianity.

And, if we ARE saying that he added in or manipulated that element of the
story, then every single detail of Sev's journey becomes so suspect as to
become nearly meaningless (which of course is very Wolfean anyway).

So how about that?

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at clueland.com> wrote:

> On 3/14/2012 3:37 PM, Jordon Flato wrote:
>
>> But the Heiro's have a plan.  They want
>> to turn Man into themselves, they want to uplift us, if we prove worthy.
>>
>
> Argh!!! Tzadkiel spells it out: A humanlike race became the godlike Hieros
> and ascended from Briah. Their forsaken servant creatures became the
> angelike Yesodis and called themselves Hierogrammates and Hierarchs and
> Hierodules, but by the time they ascended from Briah to Yesod, the Hieros
> were gone. The Yesodis now seek to guide and manipulate humanity into
> becoming like the Hieros so the Yesodis can ascend with them.
>
> --
> Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com
> Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana
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