Fairies and Wolfe
Lee Berman · 02 Apr 2012, 13:05
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From: severiansola at hotmail.com (Lee Berman) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:05:32 -0400 Subject: (urth) Fairies and Wolfe Message-ID: <SNT123-W19281A0337C65B4DDE9475CF4C0 at phx.gbl> >Gerry Quinn: But clearly the physics understood by the Dawn Men is >rather limited compared to that which will be understood by Severian?s >time. Severian does indeed have almost godlike powers through his >psychic connection to the White Fountain, but the book makes it clear that >future super-technology rather than magic is involved. I think we are dealing with problems in regard to the definition of the word "magic". There is the meaning which refers to pure illusion and trickery. This is addressed in BotNS as in the Holy Katharine beheading and some of the stuff the jungle sorcerers do. There is the meaning referring to the kind of magic Gandalf does. Fictional stuff which doesn't really exist and needn't have any substantial explanation. BotNS might address this in some of its internal stories and legends. Gerry your post suggests that you distinguish "future super-technology" from magic. Can you explain the difference? Let's say you were, like Wolfe, a believer in God and His power and the super- human power of his angelic servants. What would you call that power? Atheists often derrogate God's power by referring to it as "magic" and I think most Christians would be offended by the word. Perhaps "supernatural" power is better? I suppose "divine" might be the most acceptable. I actually think "superhuman" is the better term for our purpose here. Godly power is defined as that which is beyond the understanding (and use) of regular, mortal humans. I think part of the point of the Sun Series is that while all the various definitions of magic exist, there is more overlap and confusion between them than we might think. Severian is a human character. Wolfe takes pains to make the reader know he does not understand his own power. He also takes the otherwise unecessary step of explaining that Tzadkiel is not capable of Severian's healing power. Moreover Tzadkiel seems to need mechanical technology to accomplish time travel while Severian does not. Therefore, as I see it, Severian does not have "god-like" powers, implying they would lose their mystery if we only knew the trick. Since even a higher being like Tzadkiel does not fully understand Severian's power, we humans never, ever could. I think we are meant to understand that Severian is using divine, godly power and is, thus an aspect of God (the Outsider) as Wolfe has stated. I agree with David Stockhoff's assessment that godly beings have a hand in their own creation in BotNS. But I see this as Wolfe's extrapolation of the principle that God created man in His own image. If God is alpha and omega it makes a sort of circular logic that Man created God in his own image. But in BotNS there are higher (and lower) intermediary beings between Man and God. There is "dark magic" and "divine power" which is not available to humans, just as the science and technology we use is not fully available to these other beings especially those more distant from us on the continuum. I suppose Wizard/Knight addresses this more clearly. >Jeff Wilson: I think the Book supports both interpretations: dualism and a kind of >transcendentalism or continuism; mortal instrumentality advances and >eventually sublimes, doubling back or circulating through time and appearing magical. I think I agree with Jeff, though again, I'm not fully sure what definition of magic he is using here.
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