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Fairies and Wolfe

Daniel Petersen · 02 Apr 2012, 14:33 · from 2012-April.txt.gz

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From: danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com (Daniel Petersen)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:33:51 +0100
Subject: (urth) Fairies and Wolfe
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There's a certain plausibility to your suggestion, David.  I too have
sometimes wondered about what seemed a lack of emphasis on God as Creator
in Wolfe.  But he does work it in there at times, sometimes rather overtly
and powerfully:

'But <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/But>
everything<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/everything>
 had <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/had>
approached<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/approached>
 and <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/and>
even<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/even>
 touched <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/touched>
the<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/the>
 *Pancreator*<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/Pancreator>
, because <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/because>
everything<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/everything>
 had <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/had>
dropped<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/dropped>
 from <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/from>
his<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/his>
 hand <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/hand>.
Everything<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/Everything>
was <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/was> a
relic<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/relic>
. All <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/All>
the<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/the>
 world <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/world>
was<http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/was>
 a relic <http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/relic>.'

The Increate is not the only divine name in Wolfe...

-DOJP

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote:

> On 4/2/2012 9:05 AM, Lee Berman wrote:
>
>> I agree with David Stockhoff's assessment that godly beings have a hand
>> in their
>> own creation in BotNS. But I see this as Wolfe's extrapolation of the
>> principle
>> that God created man in His own image. If God is alpha and omega it makes
>> a sort
>> of circular logic that Man created God in his own image.
>>
>
> Possibly irrelevantly, I have my own ideas about that word "create." I
> don't think Wolfe believes God created Man at all, but rather that he
> brought about human evolution by the very sort of invisible, incremental,
> independent forces that are dramatized in BTNS and clarified in UTNS. He is
> the Increate---the only uncreated being---not the Creator. He does nothing
> but /be, /and matter is attracted to him, inevitably organizing itself in
> his image.
>
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