Sorcerer's House Comment

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 07 May 2012, 23:47 · from 2012-May.txt.gz

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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:47:31 -0700
Subject: (urth) Sorcerer's House Comment
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The Tarot is not the organizational schema of NOVA, but it's one of
the things used to produce meaning.

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:31 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:
> I think I know that mountain. Legend says its summit stands unseen above the
> clouds and may be reached by no man or woman.
>
> I'll have to read NOVA; I find the Tarot interesting as the basis for an
> organizational scheme.
>
>
> On 5/7/2012 4:47 PM, Fred Kiesche wrote:
>>
>> Tarot: Read a long time ago was NOVA by Samuel R. Delany. I just got a
>> hardcover of the "first" edition (SFBC, long story as to why that is the
>> hardcover). Much of the story revolves around the Tarot; I have not read
>> this in years and will be putting it on Mount Tobereread.
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Darth Ed <darthed77 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:darthed77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> ? ?On May 4, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:
>> ? ?> The book *is* dedicated effusively to Gaiman by Wolfe; it's not
>> ? ?> unreasonable to think that Wolfe targeted it at Gaiman or simply
>> ? ?gave
>> ? ?> Gaiman some hints or something.
>>
>> ? ?I concur. That's my feeling as well.
>>
>> ? ?> I took a quick look at the first 6 or 7 chapters. I don't see any
>> ? ?> obvious correspondence with the letter titles and the order given in
>> ? ?> Wikipedia, but 'magician' does seem to align with the fish part
>> ? ?of the
>> ? ?> plot. Possibly the trumps are a skeleton key to figuring out the
>> ? ?> unscrambled order of the letters? I don't remember anyone
>> ? ?pointing out
>> ? ?> any interesting problems with the ordering and giving a
>> ? ?revealing true
>> ? ?> ordering.
>>
>> ? ?I don't think the letters/chapters are out of order per se with
>> ? ?regards to
>> ? ?some canonical ordering of the Major Arcana and that we need to
>> ? ?reorder the
>> ? ?chapters/letters to fit that canonical ordering. In a Tarot
>> ? ?reading, the
>> ? ?cards are shuffled and the ordering of the cards is significant to the
>> ? ?person who is being read by the reader. And I don't think the
>> ? ?titles are
>> ? ?necessarily related to the Major Arcana, but rather the principle
>> ? ?characters and/or action that takes place in each letter/chapter
>> ? ?can be
>> ? ?matched to each of the Major Arcana. In that respect, I'm keen on
>> ? ?David
>> ? ?Stockoff's interpretation which identified several such matches for a
>> ? ?handful of the letters/chapters. He also incorporated the
>> ? ?mirroring nicely
>> ? ?into his interpretation. His identifications seemed quite
>> ? ?reasonable to me,
>> ? ?and I think further study is warranted and may come up with additional
>> ? ?identifications between the letters/chapters and the Major Arcana.
>> ? ?I'll
>> ? ?certainly be looking for such connection on my next reading of
>> ? ?TSH, but I
>> ? ?suspect that's probably years from now, unfortunately.
>>
>> ? ?In a sense, we, the readers of the book, are like the Tarot reader who
>> ? ?reads the past, present, and future of a person/character. The
>> ? ?cards/chapters represent the past and the present; the reader
>> ? ?interprets
>> ? ?them and uses them to foretell the future of the person/character.
>>
>> ? ?Later,
>> ? ?Ed
>>
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>> ? ?http://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Profiles.DarthEd
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>>
>>
>> --
>> F.P. Kiesche III ?"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book.
>> Always, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being
>> presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.)
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