Lake of Birds
David Stockhoff · 21 May 2012, 13:11
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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 09:11:43 -0400 Subject: (urth) Lake of Birds In-Reply-To: <CAHPveYbTWMj3eOH4kn7FEWPRSd3JjAr89DUxpM6J5nn+EvJzhA at mail.gmail.com> References: <CAHPveYaQo9iYV1+3uHmvZcVpt2p9qgHhk=iNK=NBDOyzP+F27g at mail.gmail.com> <F9E76414D3194AAEB84EED9D12732DE2@Rover> <4FB90582.4050606 at verizon.net> <4FB91007.80709 at verizon.net> <CAHPveYa9+NobVsEhJzqGRzdXjo_hiqJGcP77aJ1uX2J=bXPR_w at mail.gmail.com> <9D042E0A8B974564B316446A05B692B6@Rover> <4FB9479A.2060209 at verizon.net> <CAHPveYYEzfHcVb=4BpCJk13xyQdkfy11kQ3hjDUVyNCwOKQTSw at mail.gmail.com> <CAHPveYbTWMj3eOH4kn7FEWPRSd3JjAr89DUxpM6J5nn+EvJzhA at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4FBA3F0F.2090402 at verizon.net> On 5/20/2012 7:53 PM, Bruno de Albuquerque Furtado wrote: > Personally, I tend to agree with Dave Lebling, in that the Cumaean is > the Sibyl of Cumae. Gerry's claim that, if the old witch was alive in > ancient Rome, she wouldn't really need her "friend" in Formalhaut, is > very compelling. It is not required, though, that the Cumaean be > continuously alive since antiquity, in order for her to be the Sibyl. > If the Botanic Gardens function as a gateway in space-time, the witch > could simply pass from antiquity to the very far future without > needing to be alive all this time. Therefore she might have "missed" > the Apu-Punchau period, and not be able to raise him. It is also > possible that, since Severian was probably the "real" inspiration > behind the Incan god Inti, he might have become Apu-Punchau in a > mythological age much earlier than the beginning of the Incan empire, > and therefore maybe even before ancient Rome. > > As of Severian's relation with the Cumaean, I'm inclined to believe > that it goes deeper than the obvious. First, because she is clearly > one of the witches from the Witches' Tower, and therefore belonged to > what seems to be the guild closest to the torturers in the citadel, if > that indeed is a guild at all, which I doubt. Second, because although > Severian is obviously a Christ figure, he is also a Sun God, what with > his being a sun, taking power from a sun, and all that. He may be > particularly identifiable as Apollo, for his good looks, > sexual appetite, healing powers, and love of tales. I also seem to > remember something about the torturers apprentices having sex with the > witches, though I don't recall where it was written. But not Severian. > He did have a strange encounter with the witches, while still an > apprentice, but it was not sexual. All that resonates beautifully with > the legend about the Cumean Sibyl, in which Apollo gives her longevity > in exchange for sex, but withholds youth when the prophetess refuses > to sleep with him, eventually making it necessary for her to live in a > jar, on account of her withered body. Didn't the Mandragora say that > it was the Autarch who created it? Severian as Apollo! That's very good. The Mandragora as Sibyl? Even better!
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