Lake of Birds

DAVID STOCKHOFF · 22 May 2012, 17:58 · from 2012-May.txt.gz

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (DAVID STOCKHOFF)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:58:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: (urth) Lake of Birds
In-Reply-To: <CAHPveYYgBJkB5VmWsswyYSiqudfDHXR4SbJ2S7UbG91zVJs+Nw at mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHPveYaQo9iYV1+3uHmvZcVpt2p9qgHhk=iNK=NBDOyzP+F27g at mail.gmail.com>
	<F9E76414D3194AAEB84EED9D12732DE2@Rover>
	<4FB90582.4050606 at verizon.net> <4FB91007.80709 at verizon.net>
	<CAHPveYa9+NobVsEhJzqGRzdXjo_hiqJGcP77aJ1uX2J=bXPR_w at mail.gmail.com>
	<9D042E0A8B974564B316446A05B692B6@Rover>
	<4FB9479A.2060209 at verizon.net>
	<CAHPveYYEzfHcVb=4BpCJk13xyQdkfy11kQ3hjDUVyNCwOKQTSw at mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHPveYbTWMj3eOH4kn7FEWPRSd3JjAr89DUxpM6J5nn+EvJzhA at mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHPveYbL7Rk4FaLSkr4q+Jw93TSW9ju+v38-HX2Exs8sJsCsiw at mail.gmail.com>
	<43A29C07-ED16-454B-BF94-DA29B4F0BB9B at gmail.com>
	<4FBB857A.5030806 at verizon.net>
	<CAHPveYZkRF_RLJNFiSCT4KLWaXVfqES6J+Xqjwgfmv+u4NiEwA at mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHPveYYbwfU9nNgVc_LdryJZUOmnLbYfj+MtPSx4MH89GokFSA at mail.gmail.com>
	<1337705775.8065.YahooMailNeo at web84501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CAHPveYYgBJkB5VmWsswyYSiqudfDHXR4SbJ2S7UbG91zVJs+Nw at mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1337709488.49487.YahooMailNeo at web84503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>



From: Bruno de Albuquerque Furtado <meuemaildobruno at gmail.com>
>To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:43 PM
>Subject: Re: (urth) Lake of Birds
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>"In fact I think this is one of those points where I can hear Wolfe chuckling at his postmodern joke, because it was of course Wolfe himself who "made the Lake of Birds to look like" Avernus."
>
>
>Certainly, specially since Wolfe makes sure to indicate that the author is also part of the story. As I see it, he even includes himself as a character: the "G.W." that translates a text in "a language that has not yet achieved existence". It's easy to forget, but the BotNS is supposed to be a "translation", and furthermore one in which the translator is striving not to invent words. Therefore names and terms that seem to evoke mythology for us, such as "Dorcas" and "Cumaean" and "Typhon", may not be the mythological beings themselves at all, nor even those characters' "real" names. They might actually be conscious?choices by the "translator", who in his unwillingness to invent new words, ends up making parallels between the characters of the supposed "original text", and creatures from Earthly lore.
>
>---Yes, that's his excuse at least. It's good to be reminded of this from time to time.
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20120522/01e74842/attachment.htm>

An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net