What symbols mean for Wolfe
Lee Berman · 26 Nov 2012, 14:05
· from 2012-November.txt.gz
This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything
here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer
encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the
archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those
repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is
for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site,
so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.
From: severiansola at hotmail.com (Lee Berman) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:05:43 -0500 Subject: (urth) What symbols mean for Wolfe Message-ID: <SNT123-W432779EC09A10BBD568433CF5F0 at phx.gbl> >Bill Burgess: I'd find it a little surprising that anyone would think Severian was not >freely making the decisions which lead him on his path. I'm thinking Daniel Petersen's comment may have been inspired by Severian's/Wolfe's own line that "We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.". This would appear to fly in the face of "free will". How can we fully have it if "symbols" can control and define our choices? I think this adds religious philosophical depth to BotNS. We need the illusion(?) of free will to function as a human being on a day by day basis. But the devoutly religious must somehow reconcile this with the irrational awareness that we are the creation of an omniscient and omnipotent God who created the universe knowing it would irrevocably lead to every single micro-choice we end up making in life. The quote above is related to Severian's treasuring of the (false) coin he received from Vodalus and his lack of awareness that accepting the coin led to an attachment to Vodalus and the values he fought for, which affected his choice to disobey his guild in regard to Vodalus' follower, Thecla and many other choices after that. (it does make me wonder what new values Gene Wolfe found himself adopting and what choices he ended up making based on his acceptance of symbols such as a US military uniform and gun) I wonder if this all relates in some way to the ring Horn chooses to wear in Short Sun. I think we readers are meant to understand it provides a portal for god-like beings to possess him or influence his choices. But for Horn, the ring might seem only to have symbolic meaning. Perhaps a practical example of how symbols might shape us when they represent powerful forces beyond our understanding.
An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net