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Claw = Fang?

the badger · 26 Nov 2012, 22:15 · from 2012-November.txt.gz

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From: viconian at hotmail.com (the badger)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:15:27 -0500
Subject: (urth) Claw = Fang?
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When I started this thread I was thinking about the pairing of a rose thorn and a serpent's fang ... clearly a lion's fang must also be added to the cluster.

 



Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:12:03 +0000
From: danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com
To: urth at lists.urth.net
Subject: Re: (urth) Claw = Fang?

My point is that seraph means serpent and there's nothing in the Biblical text that I'm aware of that tries to distance that snake-like image from the angelic beings themselves.  As I said before, one trained theologian knowledgeable of the original languages that I spoke too said he pictured them as winged dragons of a sort.  Hence, Satan being a more or less de-winged dragon in Revelation.  (And this making all serpentine/clawed images in Wolfe simultaneously resonant of both the angelic and demonic, the divine and the diabolical - appropriately, as both Jesus and Satan are imaged as a lion in the New Testament.)  The Solar Cycle's soteriology reflects the N.T. in seeing salvation as a divine incarnation into the very symbols of evil (originally good in themselves) in order to redeem them back to their right place.  E.g. 'claw' is a thing of tearing and death in a fallen world but becomes, in the Conciliator, a thing of healing.  

 		 	   		  
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