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Claw = Fang? off-topic-ish
Daniel Petersen · 28 Nov 2012, 22:39
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From: danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com (Daniel Petersen) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:39:50 +0000 Subject: (urth) Claw = Fang? off-topic-ish In-Reply-To: <1354123386.82556.YahooMailClassic at web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <CAGB0RZ5KTOHaqc6Y-jELTQ7MVTr+_U2rDhJGm9m1DGcqekotag at mail.gmail.com> <1354123386.82556.YahooMailClassic at web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <CAGB0RZ5XAOvzO+AA7cuA4Ypg=8x8_FVR40sV8x4pWk69P_EmLw at mail.gmail.com> I look forward to your analysis. (Again, I note that Lafferty had similar slightly bemused and sceptical reactions to not only the hippie/post-hippie movement in general but the 'Jesus Movement' within that.) -DOJP On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote: > Interestingly enough, Hour of Trust is where my short story survey has > stalled for a few months, but it will be back on track soon. I have some > problems with that one and I have put off writing about it for a very long > time. > > Marc > > --- On *Wed, 11/28/12, Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>*wrote: > > > From: Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: (urth) Claw = Fang? off-topic-ish > To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> > Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 8:01 AM > > Lafferty felt himself just slightly distinct from mere 'white': he said > in an interview that he avoided being a WASP by the narrow margin of being > instead a 'ruddy Irish Catholic' or something like that. I think he > identified slightly more with the nation's 'minorities'. For what it's > worth. > > I find Wolfe's novella 'Hour of Trust' a fascinating self-conscious take > on 60s/70s counterculture. The rest of that decade (70s) Wolfe was > practically participating in and helping create aspects of said > counterculture - but somewhere within it he seems to have went 'wait, > what's this? interesting, let me document that and critique it somewhat'. > > -DOJP > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:43 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dstockhoff at verizon.net> > > wrote: > > Yes, it is amazing. McKenna may have read Wolfe, but I have zero doubt > that Wolfe never heard of McKenna. > > I know little about Lafferty himself, but I agree---it would be easy to > lump him with Beefheart, assuming perhaps that they were both products of > the '60s and the beat poets. Or drugs. There is indeed something about > those white Catholic male authors. > > On 11/28/2012 8:24 AM, Daniel Petersen wrote: > > It's the same phenomenon with Wolfe as with Lafferty - these conservative > Catholic blokes happen to have such boundless imaginations (with > philosophical/theological gridwork to hold their wild speculations firmly > in place) that they (mostly) unintentionally have lots of overlap with > hippy, trippy, psychedelic, counterculture themes and ethoi (plural of > ethos?). It's fascinating. E.g. I often call Lafferty the Captain Beefheart > of s.f. (spec fic), but he would have HATED Beefheart's music and approach, > ha! > > -DOJP > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:44 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dstockhoff at verizon.net><mailto: > dstockhoff at verizon.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dstockhoff at verizon.net> > **>> wrote: > > Those are cool too. But it WOULD make a great band name. > > The way McKenna wonders whether the hyperspace elves are also the > elves of the "magic light of childhood" also reminds me of the > Wolfean transformations of the Fay and the classical gods into > whatever he needs---Faerie into Olympus into Yesod---even when > writing space opera. > > On 11/28/2012 7:13 AM, Daniel Petersen wrote: > > ha ha! I thought maybe it was 'nuncio' and 'Aeon' and such. > > Someone should start a band called that (S-T.M.E.o.H - er, St. > Meh?). > > -DOJP > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:05 AM, David Stockhoff > <dstockhoff at verizon.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dstockhoff at verizon.net><mailto: > dstockhoff at verizon.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dstockhoff at verizon.net> > **> > <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dstockhoff at verizon.net> > <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dstockhoff at verizon.net> > **>>> wrote: > > What? no takers? I thought it was an easy question. > > The phrase that caught my eye was this: > > SELF-TRANSFORMING MACHINE ELVES OF HYPERSPACE > > !!!! > > On 11/27/2012 9:21 AM, David Stockhoff wrote: > > > On 11/26/2012 11:45 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote: > > On 11/26/2012 3:40 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote: > > I've never heard of this test -- one prophet was asked > to put a hot coal > into his mouth which then became The Word Of The Lord > for him to speak. > That's about it. > > > Isaiah 6: "6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a > live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from > the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, 'See, > this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and > your sin atoned for.' " > > > Speaking of visions (sort of), I encountered the following > description of a "prototypical" hallucinatory (DMT) experience > in Sam Harris' response to the new book "Proof of Heaven" and > found some parts to be quite familiar (note the date): > > Under the influence of DMT, the world becomes an Arabian > labyrinth, > a palace, a more than possible Martian jewel, vast with motifs > that > flood the gaping mind with complex and wordless awe. Color and the > sense of a reality-unlocking secret nearby pervade the experience. > There is a sense of other times, and of one?s own infancy, and of > wonder, wonder and more wonder. It is an audience with the alien > nuncio. In the midst of this experience, apparently at the end of > human history, guarding gates that seem surely to open on the > howling maelstrom of the unspeakable emptiness between the > stars, is > the Aeon. > > The Aeon, as Heraclitus presciently observed, is a child at play > with colored balls. Many diminutive beings are present there?the > tykes, the self-transforming machine elves of hyperspace. Are they > the children destined to be father to the man? One has the > impression of entering into an ecology of souls that lies > beyond the > portals of what we naively call death. I do not know. Are they the > synesthetic embodiment of ourselves as the Other, or of the > Other as > ourselves? Are they the elves lost to us since the fading of the > magic light of childhood? Here is a tremendum barely to be > told, an > epiphany beyond our wildest dreams. Here is the realm of that > which > is stranger than we /can/ suppose. Here is the mystery, alive, > unscathed, still as new for us as when our ancestors lived it > fifteen thousand summers ago. The tryptamine entities offer > the gift > of new language, they sing in pearly voices that rain down as > colored petals and flow through the air like hot metal to become > toys and such gifts as gods would give their children. The > sense of > emotional connection is terrifying and intense. The Mysteries > revealed are real and if ever fully told will leave no stone upon > another in the small world we have gone so ill in. > > This is not the mercurial world of the UFO, to be invoked from > lonely hilltops; this is not the siren song of lost Atlantis > wailing > through the trailer courts of crack-crazed America. DMT is not one > of our irrational illusions. I believe that what we experience in > the presence of DMT is real news. It is a nearby > dimension?frightening, transformative, and beyond our powers to > imagine, and yet to be explored in the usual way. We must send > fearless experts, whatever that may come to mean, to explore > and to > report on what they find. (Terence McKenna, /Food of the Gods/, > 1992, pp. 258-259.) > > > Can anyone guess which four or five words in particular caused > me to post this? > > If nothing else, this description suggests that mystical > visions experienced by different people are more the same than > they are different. This commonality might even explain much > of the deep attraction some readers feel to the Solar cycle > and Severian's account in particular. > ______________________________**_________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net><mailto: > urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net> > > > <mailto:urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net><mailto: > urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net> > >> > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net><mailto: > urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net> > > > <mailto:urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net><mailto: > urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net> > >> > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > > > > -- Daniel Otto Jack Petersen > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net><mailto: > urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net> > > > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net><mailto: > urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net> > > > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > > > > -- > Daniel Otto Jack Petersen > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net> > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net> > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > > > > -- > Daniel Otto Jack Petersen > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net<http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=urth at urth.net> > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > -- Daniel Otto Jack Petersen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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