Osiris = the Green Man in BOTNS?

steve roh · 23 Dec 2012, 08:18 · from 2012-December.txt.gz

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From: sroh98 at gmail.com (steve roh)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 03:18:21 -0500
Subject: (urth) Osiris = the Green Man in BOTNS?
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Just to be clear: by referring to Typhon being victorious, I mean in his
attempt to make Severian kneel before him and swear an oath to Typhon upon
the claw talisman.  I understand Typhon had already conquered Urth by that
point.  But if Severian had sworn that oath to Typhon, then there would be
no New Sun, and the future of Master Ash (white) would have come into
being, instead of the future of the Green Man.

On 12/22/2012 7:57 PM, steve roh wrote:
> >* Osiris: killed by Typhon
> *>* Green Man: comes from future possible Urth, an Urth which Severian
> notes
> *>* will die (never come to be) if the tyrant Typhon is victorious
> *>
> >* Am I just imagining this?
> * Yes.
> Typhon already was victorious; he conquered Urth and many nearby worlds.
> The diminishment of the sun led to his downfall, but that same
> diminishment leads to Ash's timeline, away from Green. Typhon promoted
> the arts of the alteration of mankind and other living things, which he
> bent to evil ends but which also yield up the Green Man's chlorophyillic
> union with the sun so that mankind no longer need kill to live (or so we
> speculate).
> No Typhon, no Green Man either.
> --
> Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com
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> Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana
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Strange how after 25 years of reading this story multiple times, this kind
of lightbulb moment still happens.  One of the reasons I love this material.

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:08 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote:

>  I had forgotten Osiris was green, but I think you nailed it. The Green
> Man represents rebirth, as Osiris does.
>
> On 12/22/2012 8:57 PM, steve roh wrote:
>
> It's occurred to me that the Green Man who Severian rescues in Book of the
> New Sun, has possible interesting connections to Osiris.
>
>  Osiris: green-skinned god of vegetation, wheat grew from his body
> Green Man: green man whose body has been modified to grow algae as a
> nutrient source
>
>  Osiris: killed by Typhon
> Green Man: comes from future possible Urth, an Urth which Severian notes
> will die (never come to be) if the tyrant Typhon is victorious
>
>  Am I just imagining this?
>
>
>
>
>
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