Silk/Horn in the Matachin Tower

Antonin Scriabin · 06 Feb 2013, 14:30 · from 2013-February.txt.gz

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From: kierkegaurdian at gmail.com (Antonin Scriabin)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:30:13 -0500
Subject: (urth) Silk/Horn in the Matachin Tower
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I also thought (I can't remember quite why) that Typhon sent out more than
one, possibly many, Whorls.  I might be totally wrong about this, but if it
was something of a major campaign of colonization, with many ships, he
might be less likely to mention one specifically.  Also, if the events of
the *Short Sun *and *Long Sun *are occurring at the same time, with no time
travel shenanigans, then Typhon launched the Whorl a long time ago relative
to his awakening, which is another reason he might not mention it to
Severian.


On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:27 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote:

> I'm not sure why a reference to the Whorl would be needed. Although that
> would certainly nail it down, Wolfe characters often don't mention
> important things when speaking to one another, because they have no
> motivation to do so. So the absence of a remark doesn't tell us much.
>
>
> On 2/6/2013 9:15 AM, Antonin Scriabin wrote:
>
>> The scene where Severian brings Silk/Horn writing implements seems to be
>> a one-on-one conversation. Silk/Horn presumably gets Severian started
>> writing his own memoir after giving him some writing tips.
>>
>> Also, I don't necessarily think that Typhon would have mentioned the
>> /Whorl/. Is it too much to ask for Silk/Horn traveling both in space and
>> time when visiting Urth?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com <mailto:
>> gerry at bindweed.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     *From:* Antonin Scriabin <mailto:kierkegaurdian at gmail.**com<kierkegaurdian at gmail.com>
>> >
>>     > Is there indication in /The Book of the New Sun /that any of the
>>
>>     clients at the
>>     > time of Severian's childhood might in fact be Silk/Horn? If
>>     Wolfe had the
>>     > vision and plan for the "Solar Cycle" in this depth back while
>>     writing /TBONS/,
>>
>>     > that would be most impressive.
>>     Gurloes used to ?talk to? (or taunt, who knows) the mad clients in
>>     the lowest floor. But I don?t recall any mention of Severian ever
>>     encountering several clients held together, and Silk/Horn was
>>     always with a group.
>>
>>     I don?t believe any such thesis is feasible. Typhon would have had
>>     to make a reference ? albeit perhaps oblique - to launching the
>>     Whorl. Anything else would be, in Wolfe?s terms, ?lame? ? just as
>>     he said it would have been lame not to have Silk/Horn visit Severian.
>>
>>     - Gerry Quinn
>>
>>
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